what's a competitive price for new key, fob and reprogramming remote?

or are VW dealers all similar across the board?

from new, a flip key 2/3 button is roughly £160.

Key part is £50/£55, remote is £47ish, and coding most retailers charge half hour labour or £50. At my retailer its usually £157 or so (remmeber takes around 5 days to get the key from germany) hope this helps :)

Why not go second hand for about £30 and then getting someone off here to do it for you..  Where abouts are you?

 rattlesnake, thanks as i've been reading about that £160-180 area and all i think is ouch lol

blackmagic20vt, how does the second hand route work on key cutting, remote link and reprogramming etc. i'm based south west, i see you are west midlands, and i'm up visiting in-laws near nec at times.

can this be done without dealer?

basically i'm looking a private car sale, but the seller only has one key. hence two thoughts:

1. need a spare just in case

2. want it reprogrammed so the other spare key floating about where ever won't start the car

2nd hand key off ebay - £30ish.

New key cut - £10

Key programmed by a member with vagcom £depends on member but about - £10

Being a member of the best mk4 forum - Priceless  

Im in the north west, blackpool so be precise,  there anyone up here with vagcom that can re programme a new fob for me ?

Tom

 noddy1875, can you be a bit more precise on what i need from ebay, where to get it cut and what members are local? thanks in advance

not sure you can code a second hand key to a mk5

mk4 yes

but when you order a mk5 from parts it comes part coded already and then its matched to the car

anyone managed to code a second hand key to a mk5?

I thought a mk5 key was just a mk4 key with the 3rd button for the boot ?

to look at yes, but the immob is different hence the part coding from vw when ordered

i've tried coding a mk5 key to my mk4 but it wouldnt code at all

Used keys are not recodable on cars fitted with immo-4 (mk5 onwards)

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/immobilizer.html

I thought that was the case for immo 3 onwards?

 Immobiliser 1 and 2 keys can be recoded from used fobs.  Immob 3 can be recoded if the crypto chip is changed on a used fob they cost about £8.

The mk5 key is  one shot (i.e cant use a used one unless the immob chip is changed) as far as I know and it can be purchased from the dealer and then coded to your car.  Either a dealer or member can do that obviously the member services will be cheaper than a dealer.

I got a key off ebay, got it cut by an auto locksmith and then took it to VW for coding......they couldnt code it and even went back to an older version of the software (mine was a 2004 car) to try code it but it didnt work...

SO I paid them the labour charges...got me monies back of the ebay seller and coughed up 160 to VW for a new one!

 is this coding for the chip in the key itself or the remote fob?

The coding is for the engine immobiliser a used remote could IIRC be programmed to lock unlock the doors.

As general FYI the car will have come with two keys from the factory if one is missing remember to get the missing key removed from the ECU.

Chrisdut:

not sure you can code a second hand key to a mk5

mk4 yes

but when you order a mk5 from parts it comes part coded already and then its matched to the car

anyone managed to code a second hand key to a mk5?

 

Yes s/h remotes can be coded for a MK5. (I have done one for our MK5):

1. Open the current key you have.

2. Buy a replacement (used) key from eBay (etc) that has the same part No. and frequency (MHZ) as your current key.

3. Buy a new TP23 transponder and blank key blade from Hickleys.com

4. Get the new key cut at a local locksmith who has a LASER cutter

5. Find someone with VAG commander and get them to retrieve your SKC (secret key code) so the new transponder can be programmed.

6. Get someone with VCDS to program the remote and new immobilizer. (eBay cables do not work on the MK5 on wards so you need a genuine Ross-Tech cable)

Total cost (including paying for the services of people with VAG commander and VCDS) should come in at less than £50 - I paid a total of £30, but i have my own VCDS cable.

old_no7's thread will walk you through the process (although this was done on a MK4, it is essentially the same for a MK5, BUT they use a different transponder)

 thanks, but sourcing and finding the right people seems to be hard

think VW are one of the ways to go

 right, I'm now looking at this DIY type route instead of dealer. Anyone know of Bristol region people who can help on cutting and reprogramming?

 Hey is there anyone near the colchester area who can code a key to my mk4 as it never came with the flip key and remote locking and i see this as a good feature?

also what am i looking for on ebay;

a new key that has not been cut or programed before ?

thanks

 does it need to be one that has a new chip that has never been used before?

and whould a 3 button one be ok for a mk4?

for instance this one ok

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK4-BORA-SKODA-SEAT-3-BUTTON-KEY-FOB_W0QQitemZ170340808843QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27a91a788b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

many thanks

vwbandit:

 does it need to be one that has a new chip that has never been used before?

Yes

vwbandit:

and whould a 3 button one be ok for a mk4?

Yes

vwbandit:

for instance this one ok

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK4-BORA-SKODA-SEAT-3-BUTTON-KEY-FOB_W0QQitemZ170340808843QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27a91a788b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

Possibly, it all depends on the part No. of your current key.

Read the link i posted above (from old_no7)

Message to gizmo68:

Hi there, you mentioned the SKC (Secret key code) i have vag-com micro-can, where in the program do i locate these codes? many thanks.

Never mind, i found this great guide:

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/key-matching.html

 You can't retrieve the SKC with VCDS, for that you need VAG-TACHO or VAG-Commander

i have a standard non remote key how do i tell what tyhe part number is? so i can work out if the key ive found will work?

thanks

 thought this was a mk5 section ;-)

anyone else confirm mk5 key and what to look out for, as seems mixed review above

vwbandit:

i have a standard non remote key how do i tell what tyhe part number is? so i can work out if the key ive found will work?

thanks

Thats one i will have to pass on, all the ones i have done already had a remote key.

p1tse:

 thought this was a mk5 section ;-)

anyone else confirm mk5 key and what to look out for, as seems mixed review above

Pretty much the same as the MKIV, the only difference being the MK5 uses a different transponder (the eBay ones are no good for the MK5)

 some keys advertised on ebay list it as mk5, so is that going to be ok?

 If they also say it is suitable for any pre 2004 cars then no it will not work on the MK5 one seller (as1am) had his advertised to be suitable for a MK5, so i bought one and found out it wasn't! but true to his word he gave a full refund (inc P&P) he has now changed his listing to say they are not suitable for the MK5.

 thanks. that was the bit which was confusing me. i hope to find a mk5 key only

find a car key cutter, but i can't seem to find one yet in Bristol.

can the new fob be programmed like a mk4, where you put one of the new or original key in ignition and the other in driver door process?

p1tse:

 thanks. that was the bit which was confusing me. i hope to find a mk5 key only

find a car key cutter, but i can't seem to find one yet in Bristol.

can the new fob be programmed like a mk4, where you put one of the new or original key in ignition and the other in driver door process?

I assume it can, but whilst you are programming the transponder (VCDS) it's just as easy to do the remote at the same time (you can then remove the 'missing' key from the list of keys that will start the car at the same time)

BTW any remote with the same part No. and frequency as your existing key will work, I'm pretty sure mine didn't come from a Golf?

 thanks again

so you need to program 1. transponder 2. remote fob

what does transponder do?

 Yes thats right, the transponder is the small glass tube inside the key half of the remote, the transponder is for the immobilizer (without it the car will start then 'stall' about a second later)

This is why the earlier transponders do not work in the MK5 - the MK5 uses an Immo-4 (immobilizer) whereas the MKIV use Immo-2 and Immo-3

 thanks for clearing this up

i'm now reverting bck to this route aslong as i find a cutter and prgrammer near by