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  • Mon, Oct 8 2007 4:47 PM I need a new sub box.

    Imagewerx
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    And just why do I need a new sub box? Well,I’ve had the old one in my car for over a year now,and as I go away camping quite a lot,I struggle to get all my gear into the boot,so I decided it was time for something a bit more compact to free up some boot space.

     

    So what did I decide to go for,and why? Well the 12in sub I had before although capable of shifting a decent amount of air,wasn’t particularly tight or punchy,or at least not for my taste anyway.It’s fact of life that the bigger the cone,the deeper the bass they will give,but as the cone and motor assembly get heavier,the less well controlled the bass will be,if you’ve ever heard an 18in sub in a car,you’ll know just what I mean.

     

    So I decided to go for a pair of 8in subs instead,this will give me almost the same surface area as the 12in had before,but as the individual cones are a lot lighter,they will sound a lot more “musical”.
    I’d heard a lot about Vibes new Space 8 subs that have a very lightweight and thin aluminium cone,so they should be very fast and react to dynamics a lot better.They are designed to work in a 0.55cu.ft. sealed box,which is actually quite large for an 8in sub,as some 12s are capable of working in a box that small now,so I need to end up with a little over 1 cu.ft.,or actually about 1.2 cu.ft to also allow for the volume the cones take up inside the box.

     

     

    The first job is to make a template where the box is going to live,cardboard is best,but if you don’t have any big enough then use newspaper as I did,but it will work just as well if there isn’t a picture of Alan Titchmarsh on it,and do try to get it as accurate as possible at this stage.

     

     

    Transfer this to 6mm MDF,I used spray glue to stick it down,then carefully jigsaw around it but a few mm oversize.Offer the new template up to the car and file or sand it down until it’s a perfect fit,BUT NOT TOO TIGHT as you need to allow an extra 3-4mm clearance all round for the the thickness of the carpet or whatever you eventually cover it with.This template will also come in useful on the other side of the boot when I make one of the amp racks that will go there.

     

     

    Draw round the template a couple of times on 18mm MDF,and then jigsaw it about 1-2mm outside of the line you’ve just drawn,clamp the template to the bottom of this with G clamps,and using a profiling router you can now rout it down the exact shape and size of the template.This isn’t really essential and an accurately jigsawed finish would be ok,but if you have a router it will save work later as it gives the straightest cut and smoothest finish at a DIY level.

    AS WITH ALL POWER TOOLS,PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU HAVEN’T USED A ROUTER BEFORE.IF YOU TRY TO TAKE TOO MUCH OFF IN ONE GO IT CAN DIG IN AND JUMP,NORMALLY TOWARDS YOUR FINGERS,SO NO MORE THAN A FEW MM AT A TIME.

     

    It’s normally reckoned that a sub box needs to be at least half as deep as the diameter of the sub,so in this case mine needs to be at least 4 inches deep.I got the guy in the sawmill at the timber merchants to cut my 8 X 4 ft sheet of MDF up for me to save me some work,including some lengths 4 inches wide.
    I’ve found the timber merchants are normally more accurate than the DIY stores are when it comes to cutting wood like this,so even if you have to pay up to £1/cut as some places do charge,it’s worth it as  mine was 100% spot on.He will also thank you if you come prepared with a diagram of exactly how you want your sheet of wood to be cut up and/or a cutting list,don’t just have it in your head as this is where misunderstandings and mistakes normally come from.

     

     

    To cut the correct angle on the ends of the sides that have to butt up together,I make a template against the corresponding side of the front or back of the box,and then use this to set my chop saw correctly.Don’t forget that every one saw cut that you make will give you two pieces of wood with the angle you need.

     

     

    I jigsawed and routed out the oval shaped cutout that will let the subs sit slightly below the front surface of the box,and made a baffle to go behind this that they will be fixed to.

     

     

    Always do a dry fit with just screws before you get the glue out,to make sure everything fits to together as you intended,and don’t forget to drill pilot holes in the end you will be screwing into to prevent the wood from splitting,I normally use a 3mm drill with #8 screws @ 2 inches long.

     

     

    Notice the off centre bracing to make the box stiffer,and the compartment at the bottom is because the total box volume of 1.8 cu.ft. was too big,this now brings it down to the required 1.1 cu.ft,it also has another unique use that I’ll cover later.

     

    The box can now be taken apart and glued,I normally start with the front and the longest side firts.You’ll have to be quick with the glue,and don’t start doing the screws up until they are all in,and don’t overtighten them as well.

     

     

    Give the glue at least a few hours to set if you need to take any screws out to rout or sand the edges to a pleasing shape,and when you’re happy (it doesn’t have to be perfect),you can cover it with carpet or the harder wearing trunkliner material that I used,I was lucky to get an almost perfect match with the OEM boot trim material.

     

     

    If you’re using aerosol spray glue (or any other type of glue),spray some onto the back of the trunkliner to seal it,then some onto the box,and finally another coat onto the back of the trunkliner.I normally only do one panel at a time to help avoid having the material stick to itself.The excess can be lost on the corners by cutting as close to the surface as possible with some sharp scissors,and finally if there is a hidden face to the box,the loose ends should be stapled here.
    I kept the piece of wood that was cut out of the speaker recess hole,and used it to stretch the material down onto the baffle until the glue could hold it properly.

     

    The second to last job is a slightly mad idea that I had that may or may not have any significance at all,and involves filling the cavity at the bottom of the box with dry sand.The main reason for this is to dampen down any resonances that the box may have,and with the added bonus that is now so heavy that unless any thieving scumbag is a champion weightlifter,he won’t be legging it up the road with it under his arm.

     

    This only leaves the subs to be screwed into the box and wired up,and it’s very important at this stage if they are new to leave the gains and bass boost turned down,as all new bass speakers will need at least 15 – 20 hours of gentle use before they loosen up enough to give their full potential.Turning them up while they are still new and tight to try and get bass out of them that they can’t yet give could damage them.

     

     

    More stuff about it as below:-

     

    http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/thread/977718.aspx

     

    Chris.

     

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Oct 9 2007 12:09 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    lil_sham
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    Brilliant Chris, wish I could do stuff like that. Yes
  • Tue, Oct 9 2007 12:53 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Gilly199
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    hey but very very nice work, i like the idea of still having boot space lol.

    how do you find the space 8s? Ive been gaggin to find someone who has one!

    Gilly

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  • Tue, Oct 9 2007 1:10 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Imagewerx
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    lil_sham:
    Brilliant Chris, wish I could do stuff like that. Yes

    Thanks,anyone can with practice,you don't need special training by Tibetan monks or anything like thatStick out tongue.

    Gilly199:

    hey but very very nice work, i like the idea of still having boot space lol.

    how do you find the space 8s? Ive been gaggin to find someone who has one!

    Gilly

    You're probably a bit far away to pop down and have a listen.They're OK is about as far as I'd go,I was expecting more from something with a cone that light,and I've heard normal plastic or paper coned 8s that sound better.I should have gone for the two Kicker Solobaric 8s I was originally going to use,they thrive in small boxes like this one.

    Chris.

  • Tue, Oct 9 2007 1:46 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Gilly199
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    hmm i think you could be right about the distance thing lol.  Na just wanted a real persons opinion instead of a book or review.

    gilly

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  • Tue, Oct 9 2007 4:13 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Satnam
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    Great boot build mate.. but the choice of subs not too great  :p i'd still go for the kickers or if you can get hold of them in the uk the jl audio 8" subs i think they only produced them in america but dont hold me to that.. as i heard a pair of them in my mates beemer and they just sounded so balanced real SQ music.

     

    hth

     

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  • Wed, Oct 10 2007 12:21 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    lil_sham
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    Imagewerx:

    lil_sham:
    Brilliant Chris, wish I could do stuff like that. Yes

    Thanks,anyone can with practice,you don't need special training by Tibetan monks or anything like thatStick out tongue.

    lol, yeah I know Chris, but Im lazy too, so I dont I'd ever learn lol, I paid for my box to be built, its 5cuft, tuned to 40hz I think.

  • Wed, Oct 10 2007 4:46 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Pauls1820VTGolf Moderator
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    Good write up Chris Yes

    I will add it to the list of 'How To' links for you!

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  • Wed, Oct 10 2007 1:06 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Imagewerx
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    lil_sham:

     I paid for my box to be built, its 5cuft, tuned to 40hz I think.

    Bloody hell!!!! 5 cu.ft isn't a sub box,are you sure it isn't a horse box?And I'd expect down to about 20hz from that size box?

    Satnam:

    Great boot build mate.. but the choice of subs not too great  :p i'd still go for the kickers or if you can get hold of them in the uk the jl audio 8" subs i think they only produced them in america but dont hold me to that.. as i heard a pair of them in my mates beemer and they just sounded so balanced real SQ music.

     

    hth

     

    Sat Yes 

    Hey Sat,where you been the past year or so,didn't forget your password did you? (Of course I've never done thatEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed)Thanks,the Vibes are definately headed out of the door ASAP,I've got one Kicker Comp VR8 that is still brand new,so may have to to try and find it a partner,or some JL8s would always be welcome,or even a pair of Audiobahn Alum 8s would be nice.

    Pauls1820VTGolf:

    Good write up Chris Yes

    I will add it to the list of 'How To' links for you!

    Paul

    Thank you Paul.

    Chris.

  • Tue, Oct 16 2007 9:58 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Satnam
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    Ahh the past yr or so ive just been an average joe with a merc a-class since i bought this car never fealt right coming on the forum lol.. but now im on the look out for a nice 1.8t golf so im back Big Smile and ye defo so the kickers should have some great acoustic sound.. Im currently running my bros old audiobahn SPL setup in my a-class but i shortened the depth of the box so it would fit in the boot and blocked off the port holes now the subs actually give a defined sound lol rather than an thump thump.. But again as said above very nice boot install

     

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  • Sun, Oct 28 2007 5:27 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    type-rich
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    Excellent write up.

     Im in the process of building my own install and its going quite well so far. Can you suggest a good place to get the trunkliner from?? I was going to do mine in alcantara but now i want it to match the boot.

     Cheers

     Rich

  • Sun, Oct 28 2007 4:21 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Imagewerx
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    type-rich:

    Excellent write up.

     Im in the process of building my own install and its going quite well so far. Can you suggest a good place to get the trunkliner from?? I was going to do mine in alcantara but now i want it to match the boot.

     Cheers

     Rich

    The trunkliner I used came from Car Sound Supplies,also known as Ivanhoe products,I don't think they sell to the public normally,so it may be an idea to phone them and find your nearest stockist,or they may even have an e-bay shop.

    Chris.

  • Sun, Nov 4 2007 5:00 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    mattp1983
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    A place near me called auto spares kippax near castleford/leeds stock ivanhoe carpet ,I have been using it for years on various projects.

    Do a google search they are kind of a car trade warehouse almost, sell EVERYTHING from a simple motorfactors, to detailing, to tools, the lot, even pro painting gear and all bodyshop materials  

     


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  • Fri, Nov 9 2007 5:10 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    type-rich
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    Cheers for the help,

    Went into a new ice shop that just moved into the area and they stock invanhoe stuff, so im going back today to get some, and my sub and amp.

    Rich

     

     

  • Fri, Nov 16 2007 2:18 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    NickW
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    Any of you guys have children and still have a sub and amp in the boot? HOW?????

    The babys buggy only fits diagonally across the boot so i cant fit a sub in there. Anyone know how to make it a nice tight fit but still give me boot space?

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  • Fri, Nov 16 2007 2:56 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    type-rich
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    Only thing i could suggest is a compact box,

     http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/2528.html

    Or get a roof rack for the kid's stuff, apparently there really cool on the 'euro' scene, I couldnt give a stuff about euro look or kids for that matter. But hope the suggestions help.

    Rich

     

  • Fri, Nov 16 2007 3:22 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

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    NickW:

    Any of you guys have children and still have a sub and amp in the boot? HOW?????

    The babys buggy only fits diagonally across the boot so i cant fit a sub in there. Anyone know how to make it a nice tight fit but still give me boot space?

    Two things spring to mind:

    1: place the buggy accross the floor behind the rear seats ( I'm assuming your not 6ft 10" and drive with the seat as far back as possible).

    2: As a responsible modern father you're supposed to be singing nursery rhymes, telling ghost stories and avoiding projectile vomit - not listening to 50 Cent  Chuckle

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  • Sat, Nov 17 2007 6:12 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    NickW
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    eyeamsparticus:
    NickW:

    Any of you guys have children and still have a sub and amp in the boot? HOW?????

    The babys buggy only fits diagonally across the boot so i cant fit a sub in there. Anyone know how to make it a nice tight fit but still give me boot space?

    Two things spring to mind:

    1: place the buggy accross the floor behind the rear seats ( I'm assuming your not 6ft 10" and drive with the seat as far back as possible).

    2: As a responsible modern father you're supposed to be singing nursery rhymes, telling ghost stories and avoiding projectile vomit - not listening to 50 Cent  Chuckle

    Im actually 6ft 5'' Surprise plus i dont wanna put the buggy in the back as it'll be a pain getting people in and out if needed

    As for nursery rhymes, he loves my music. He nods his head while in his seat.

    Hes a right little geeza even tho he's only 21 months. His latest thing is while in the car he goes 'TURBO DADDY, GOOOOOOOOO' cracks me up every time. Course i have to boot it for a secnd otherwise he keeps one.

    p.s i am a responsible driver and only do it when roads are empty and im ok to do it Wink

    That link above looks quite good for that box. I'll have a butchers at it

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  • Tue, Feb 17 2009 10:20 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

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  • Fri, Aug 21 2009 4:18 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

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    How long do you think it will take to make the box? As ive got offered a cheap sub but no box - so im not sure weather to make one!

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  • Fri, Aug 21 2009 4:25 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Chris.
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    LOL @ thread age lol.

     

    Its not that hard to make a sub box. If you have to cut the wood yourself you will need a good table saw.

     

    I built mine myself, but got a timber yard to cut wood.


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  • Fri, Aug 21 2009 5:10 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Imagewerx
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    olibb:

    How long do you think it will take to make the box? As ive got offered a cheap sub but no box - so im not sure weather to make one!

    Probably a whole day if you haven't done it before,the best suggestion as above is to get a good sawmill to cut the wood for you then all you've got to do is glue and screw it together and jigsaw the hole for the sub,but do read my comments re 2nd hand subs in the other thead.

    Chris.

  • Mon, Aug 24 2009 7:39 AM Re: I need a new sub box.

    NickW
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    Chris.:

    LOL @ thread age lol.

    Wow, blast from the past. Goes to show that the 'SEARCH' featuer works well :)

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  • Mon, Aug 24 2009 2:44 PM Re: I need a new sub box.

    Imagewerx
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    NickW:

    Chris.:

    LOL @ thread age lol.

    Wow, blast from the past. Goes to show that the 'SEARCH' featuer works well :)

    Nice to see that people actually use search first in some casesParty!!!.

    Chris.

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