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  • Sun, Dec 16 2007 3:37 PM HOW DO I TEST?

    Imagewerx
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              HOW DO I TEST……?

    I answer a lot of posts on here with “have you tested it?” or “what reading do you get?”,as I take it for granted that everyone knows how to use a meter to take a reading to find out just what is going on,but from the number of PMs I get it looks like I need to assume less and explain more.

     

    There are two basic tools that I use everyday at work that I’d be lost without,a digital multimeter as shown below.You can pick these up now for as little as £10,but look at spending £30 or more for a half decent one.These are better than the old fashioned analogue meters which are a lot more fragile and can be difficult to read in a hurry,leading to possible costly mistakes.

    Look for the following minimum specs if you buy one:-

    DC voltage…………..20 volts or more

    DC current………….10 amps or more (20 amps is better)

    Resistance…………..200 ohms minimum and audible continuity

     

     

    These power probes are also very useful as they give a much easier to interpret indication of power or earth conditions.

     

     

    HOW TO USE A MULTIMETER

    Unless it’s a very cheap one,most modern multimeters will “autorange” to some extent,but unless you know exactly what you’re going to be measuring,then you should always start on the highest scale and work your way downwards.As we’ll be measuring in the region of 12 volts,then the next higher range which is normally 20 volts full scale will be the one to use.

    When we want to measure voltage we have to connect our probes to the meter as shown,the black will go to the “COMMON” socket,and the red into the “V/OHMs” socket,and put the probes across where we need to measure the voltage,it doesn’t matter if we get the positive and negative probes round the wrong way as it’ll just give a negative reading instead of a positive one,but the number of volts will still be the same.

     

    METER SET TO MEASURE VOLTAGE

     

     

    The graph below shows the sort of reading we should get from a healthy charging system measured across the battery terminals when we start the engine,let it idle for a short time,and then stop the engine,this graph was compiled from my car which has a known good charging system,and probably an “average” age battery.I’ve had the car for nearly two years on the same battery,and it must have been at least a year old when I first got the car,I would expect a new or nearly new battery to have a higher off-charge voltage in the region of about 12.7 or 12.8 volts instead of my 12.2 volts,and a heavy duty or newer battery won’t drop as low as 10.5 volts when the starter is spinning.The car had purposely not been started for several hours before I did this test.

     

     

    This test was done with no extra load on the charging system,if you turn everything possible on that will load the alternator such as the lights on mainbeam with fogs,the air con,the wipers,heated rear screen etc,you should get no more than a 1 volt drop when the engine is running.

     

    If you don’t get significantly more voltage when you start the engine than with it off,then the alternator is faulty and will need replacing,and on newish cars such as the mk.4 platform range you should always get more than 14 volts.If you get slightly less it could be as simple as a loose or corroded connection on the alternator or battery,the earth to the case of the alternator can be just as likely a cause of low voltage as the thick black charging cable that is connected to the fuse nearest the middle of the car as shown below.

     

     

    If you get significantly more voltage drop when you do the load test (2 volts or more),then it could again be a bad connection,but will more likely be the alternator on its way out.

     

    If the voltage is as above with the engine running,but drops off quickly as soon as you stop the engine to less than 12 volts,then the battery will almost certainly need to be replaced,use the heaviest duty one that will start your engine especially if you have a diesel,not always so important for a petrol engine.Don’t forget that the battery only has one real job,and that is to start the engine,once it’s running the alternator supplies ALL the power to run the car.

     

    If both of the above tests check out ok,but you come out the next morning to find the battery is flat,then something in the car is faulty and drawing more current than it should do,this is not all that difficult to find if we follow a few easy steps.

    To measure current we need to break the circuit where the suspected problem lies,and the easiest way to do this is by taking a fuse out and putting the test probes across the vacant terminals,the meter should be set as shown below.

     

    METER SET TO MEASURE HIGH CURRENT

     

     

    Always start on the highest range like this until you get a reading,then if it’s off the bottom of the scale,go to the next one down as below,this normally involves moving one of the probes as well.

     

    METER SET TO MEASURE LOW CURRENT

     

     

     

    We are looking for the lowest reading possible,a typical car with maybe one or two extra accessories (after market head unit etc) should read less than 50 mA (0.05A),and preferably as low as 30mA (0.03A),but don’t get paranoid if you get 55mA.Also if your mate has got an apparently identical car to yours,and his car gives 5mA less draw for the same test as yours,it’s a fact of life that can be down to a combination of different factors and is nothing to worry about.There is no carved in stone absolute right and wrong reading,so please note that these are nothing more than guidelines.

    The first test should be through the fuse shown below that powers everything inside the car.

     

     

    When you do this test you should have the car in as dormant a state as possible,i.e. ignition turned off and boot and doors shut so that no courtesy lights are on.
    If this test proves negative then try the other fuses,it is possible for the alternator to show as putting out enough voltage to charge the battery,but can draw up to about 5 amps,which will be enough to flatten even a healthy battery in a couple of hours or less.

    If the problem is found to be inside the car,then you can do the same test through the smaller blade fuses in the fusebox at the drivers end of the dashboard until you find the guilty one.

     

    VERY IMPORTANT…….WHEN SWITCHING BETWEEN MEASURING VOLTS AND AMPS,DON’T FORGET TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CHANGES TO THE METER(especially the probes),OTHERWISE THEY’LL BE AN EXPENSIVE BURNING SMELL.

     

    METER SET TO READ RESISTANCE

     

     

    We can use the resistance range of our meter for a number of different things.

    In the above example where there’s a large voltage drop under load,we can measure the resistance between the case of the alternator and the negative terminal of the battery,it should be as low as possible,ideally under 1 ohm (you will never actually see zero ohms as there will always be a slight contact resistance),the same with the engine block to car chassis and chassis to battery.If it’s a bit higher i.e.  2 ohms or so this is still nothing to worry about,but you can try scratching the tip of the probe against the metal case of the alternator to get a better contact.
    Got a subwoofer and don’t know what impedance it is? Then set your meter again to the lowest ohms range,the resistance will read slightly lower (about 20%) than the impedance,so for a 4 ohm sub we should see about 3.5 ohms or thereabouts.

    The audible continuity range can be used for testing switches,bulbs,fuses (out of their holder) ,wires suspected of having a break somewhere,or even sending Morse code.

     

    HOW TO USE A POWER PROBE

     

    The type of powerprobe shown above works by attaching the large positive and negative crocodile clips to the cars battery,and when the tip of the probe is touched onto a wire,it shows a +ve voltage by the LED turning red,and a –ve or gound condition by turning green,and we can also put a +ve or –ve pulse down the tip by flicking the rocker switch up or down.

     

    The latter feature is useful for checking things like central locking (-ve pulse on mk.4s),and by attaching the short flying lead to one of the terminals on a loudspeaker,and putting a +ve pulse into the other side by flicking the rocker switch,we can test speakers not only to see if they work (but please NOT tweeters,they must always be used through a crossover),but also to check phasing,handy if the terminals aren’t marked +ve or –ve.The terminal that makes the cone move outwards when we pulse it will be the +ve one.

     

    Lights and indicators are a lot quicker to check with one of these probes to find out if it is the just the bulb that is blown,or a wiring fault elsewhere if the fuse tests as being ok.

     

     

    We can also use it to find any blown fuses if we don’t have access to the fuse diagram.Turn the ignition on and touch the probe to the tiny bit of exposed metal at each end of the top of a blade fuse,and you should see the same at both ends,i.e. preferably a red for + 12 volts,if you get red at one end,and a green at the other,it means that fuse is blown.

     

     

    Earth contact switches such as the doors,boot and bonnet can also be checked,on the bonnet it should only show earth when open,the boot when closed a +ve changing to ground when opened,and the same with the doors at the puddle light,always on brown wires with different coloured tracers.

     

    It can also be used to check continuity by attaching the flying lead (this is already connected to ground) to one end of whatever we are testing,and touching the probe onto the other end,if it is working ok then we should see the LED light up green.

     

    PLEASE HOWEVER BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU TEST WITH ONE OF THESE PROBES AS THEY DO HAVE A SMALL POSITIVE VOLTAGE LEAKING OUT OF THE TIP,WHICH CAN CAUSE VERY EXPENSIVE DAMAGE TO SENSITIVE CIRCUITS.NORMALLY ANY WIRING LOOMS OR CONNECTORS WRAPPED WITH YELLOW OR ORANGE TAPE WILL BE FOR THE AIRBAG,AVOID THESE LIKE THE PLAGUE,ALSO IT IS BEST TO AVOID ANY ECU CONNECTIONS WITH ONE OF THESE,AND AS BEFORE IF YOU ARE IN ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER,GET THE HELP OF SOMEONE THAT IS QUALIFIED TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 16 2007 4:09 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Satnam
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    Great lil guide bud.. Yes made a good 10 mins interesting reading Big Smile

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  • Sun, Dec 16 2007 4:32 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Pat
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    Highly useful information there Chris Yes nice one
  • Sun, Dec 16 2007 5:07 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    andy_b
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    Once more another post off Chris I have added to my favorites.

     

    cheers buddy.

     

    Andy 

  • Tue, Dec 18 2007 11:58 AM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Pauls1820VTGolf Moderator
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    Added to the links thread.

    Good write up Chris Yes 

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  • Wed, Jan 2 2008 2:43 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    davemk Moderator
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    Excellent write-up Chris.

    The multimeter buying guide is especially helpful for me. I keep meaning to buy one but didn't want to opt for the cheapest but didn't really know what to look for....until now! Haven't got a clue what I'll use it for specifically, although it's one of those things that I'll always find handy!! 

  • Wed, Jan 2 2008 3:21 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    zipper
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    Nice work Chris- have added this as a favourite - cheers Yes
  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 3:19 AM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Diesel
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     Great guide this - everyone should give it a go - would prevent a few unexpected breakdowns.

    I have just gave my battery a voltage test as its a 51 reg and still on the same battery.  Concerned it may die on me this winter because of its age.  14.5 volts when turned off and went up to 16.5 v when the engine was running. Quite happy with that so far.

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  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 6:39 AM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Imagewerx
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    Diesel:

     Great guide this - everyone should give it a go - would prevent a few unexpected breakdowns.

    I have just gave my battery a voltage test as its a 51 reg and still on the same battery.  Concerned it may die on me this winter because of its age.  14.5 volts when turned off and went up to 16.5 v when the engine was running. Quite happy with that so far.

    I'd be less than happy with 16.5 volts with the engine running,it wiil overcharge and you battery will boil dry.The regulator on your alternator has gone which by itself can be replaced,but the bearings will probably also need replacing so it's really false economy to cut corners like that for how much you can get a new one for with a full warranty on the whole unit.

    The only real advantage to that much voltage is your lights will be nice and bright and I bet it starts a lot easier nowBig Smile.

    Chris.

  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 10:59 AM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Diesel
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     Not really what I wanted to hear.Indifferent  Dont know too much about this and thought id test my battery after finding this guide and knowing my battery is still in the car from 2001.  Having never tested this before I didnt know what to expect.

    I havent done any of the other tests just took the voltage test when engine was switched off then another when it was running thats all.

    As far as I know its all been fine and if anything is bust it could have been like that for years going back to when i got the car in 2003.

    Have I really got a knackered alternator regulator and bearings which will need replaced too/new alternator?  Are there any other ways to confirm the alternator being bust?  Wouldnt the fuse pop if anything was really wrong like that?

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  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 11:05 AM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Chris.
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    Alty should charge at 14.5V


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  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 12:39 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Imagewerx
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    If you get anything above 14.4 volts across the battery terminals (14.5 or maybe 14.6 allowable just about and could be down to meter accuracy) then it can only be a faulty alternator.Too  much voltage won't blow a fuse,you need too much current to do that.

    You're better off getting a new alternator from somewhere like GSF or Eurocarparts and getting a proper warranty than replacing bits of it here and there and not getting a warranty.

    Chris.

  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 12:48 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    j_the_freek
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     Nice write up and im sure I'll be looking at it over and over Yes

  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 12:53 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Diesel
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     Gutted! Sure it isnt a little higher with it being a diesel (tdi 130)?  Trying to find excuses for it being ok!!  Will try a few more of the tests too.

    How long is a battery /alternator likely to last if I do have this problem? & is it safe to use with my current alternator?  Just wondering because it really could have been like this for ages.

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  • Tue, Sep 15 2009 2:46 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Imagewerx
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    Diesel:

     Gutted! Sure it isnt a little higher with it being a diesel (tdi 130)?  Trying to find excuses for it being ok!!  Will try a few more of the tests too.

    How long is a battery /alternator likely to last if I do have this problem? & is it safe to use with my current alternator?  Just wondering because it really could have been like this for ages.

    No,It's a test I do at work on an almost daily basis,and without wanting to blow my own trumpet,I'm never wrongGeeked.12 volt Diesel engines still work on the same voltage as 12 volt petrol engines and have the same alternator,the only difference being the oil burner will have a chunkier battery as the higher compression means it needs more effort to turn it over.

    Some would say it depends how much you use the car,but in reality it will start overcharging the instant you start it and every second of putting 16.5 volts into it is shortening it's life VERY QUICKLY,the quick answer is no it isn't safe to use as an battery that is overcharging can boil and drip acid out out of the breather pipe.If you get a chance check out the very first mk.3 Escorts (only the 1.6s for some reason) that used to overcharge because of faulty regulators,the ones that were affected had their battery trays rust away when less than three years old as countless batteries boiled themselves drySurprise.

    Chris.

  • Wed, Sep 16 2009 12:48 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Diesel
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     I have no signs of leaking acid around my battery, so decided to check another car with my volt meter.  Brand new nissan Qashqai which is the wifes and will not have anything wrong with it.

    Without the engine on 14.7 v, with the engine on hit 16.9v.

    compared to mine without engine on14.5v and with engine on 16.5v.

    This has lead me to believe my volt meter is faulty!  Have rang an auto electrician who is local and I trust and on explaining this over the phone immediately said likely overcharging until I told him about testing the 2nd car.  He also now reckons faulty volt meter.  He is going to test the battery and charging system himself for me when I get the chance to take it to his garage probably early next week now.

    Really hope its just the volt meter!

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  • Wed, Sep 16 2009 3:23 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Imagewerx
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    You may be lucky in that case,there is no exact amount of voltage that will cause a battery to boil.I expect cheap meters to be maybe 10% at the most out,but that is as far out as I've ever seen one.

    Chris.

  • Wed, Sep 23 2009 9:08 AM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Diesel
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     Chris my man checked it with his gear and found it to be 12.5 and 14.5 however when it discharged it went down right to the minimum level. He did a few other tests which I didnt understand and used a few gizmos I knew nowt about!  Then he explained to me in a way I understood - He said it was in the last 1/5th of its life. It could last a month or 2 or even another year he couldnt say.  He also explained that car battery technology has moved on from what it used to be years ago in that the battery will push out what is required up until the point it dies ( likened to mobile phone batteries?) rather than in the past when everything would just get lower.  Confirms my mulit meter is misreading.

    I have gone and got a quantum 096 battery from TPS to replace it with for peace of mind over the winter.

    Cheers for all the advice and does that make sense??

     

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  • Wed, Sep 23 2009 2:17 PM Re: HOW DO I TEST?

    Imagewerx
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    It sort of makes sense,but I've seen no REAL advances in basic lead/acid car battery design in the last 20 years or so,they are so rudimentary in their design that there really aren't all that many advances they can make to how they're made.

    We used to get on average 5 years out car batteries 20 years ago,normally about the same nowadays or in some cases less than that.

    Chris.

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