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Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

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  • Wed, Aug 13 2008 3:38 PM Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    timmyb
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     Hi all

    As above. One of my rear tyres has flat spots / high points that are causing a noise at low speeds.

    I have checked the bounce on the rear suspension and this seems ok.

    Any ideas what could cause this? I don't want to have to by new rear tyres only for it to happen again.

    Thanks
    Tim

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  • Sun, Aug 17 2008 11:53 AM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    skimad4x4
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    Tim

     

    Unfortunately this could be due to a number of things, many of which could put your life at risk.  For instance it could be something as simple as a lost balance weight, but could be due to more serious problems like kerbing damage to the tyre/wheel, or brake or suspension faults.  If you are not totally confident of your abilities then this is one area where its definitely worth getting a garage or tyre specialist to check the vehicle over.

     

    Note some “upgraded” alloy wheels are more susceptible to distortion as a result of kerbing than stock VW wheels.  I have no idea how robust the Santa Monica’s are.  If there is an issue with these wheels then its possibly covered in other threads.

     

    If you really want to try and diagnose the problem yourself, then here are a few pointers.

     

    The obvious first step is to begin by doing a quick visual check of the basics.  Take a notepad and write down the make/size information from all 4 tyres on the vehicle.  Check that all 4 wheels/tyres are compatible, and correctly fitted.  Eg same size, correct pressures, any rotational indicators are complied with and you have not mixed radial/crossplys, no obvious tyre bulges, gashes or other damage, no loose/missing wheel nuts.

     

    Assuming they are OK then start by replacing the suspect wheel with the spare tyre.  (not got one the same size – then pop along to one of the Ace Café meets and see if you can borrow one)  If that solves the problem, then test the wheel/tyre you have just removed by rolling the damaged wheel/tyre along a flat floor.  If the tyre wobbles or has obvious bulges then ask yourself what caused the tyre/wheel to become distorted?  If you have hit a large pothole recently or clouted a kerb too hard, then simply replacing it may not be the whole solution as damage may have been sustained by the suspension.  If the tyre shows signs of uneven wear then don’t just replace the tyre and assume the wheel rim is OK - get a tyre specialist to check the rim carefully before thinking of using it again.  If its badly distorted you may need to bin the rim.

     

    If the tyres/wheel seem OK, then you need to check for damage/wear in the suspension linkages and especially check to see if there are any worn bushes.

     

    Finally check the state of the brake disc/brake drum.  Get an assistant to apply light/consistent pressure to the foot brake so that you can just rotate the wheel/drum by hand – is the braking consistent or does it catch noticeably at the same point during each rotation.  If so check the brake disc is not scored, warped or has worn below the thickness set in the manual.  If the car has drum brakes remove the drum and check to see if the drum is scored or has got contaminated with oil resulting in uneven braking.

     

    Hope you get it sorted.  Let us know how you get on.

     

     

    Skimad

     

  • Sun, Aug 17 2008 12:31 PM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    peter0976
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    If the suspension/bushes/wheels are found to be ok, let us know what tyre it is.

    I have read numerous posts on other forums about a certain tyre that wears irregularly and ends up in a 50p shape.

  • Mon, Aug 18 2008 4:03 PM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    timmyb
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    Cheers chaps. Got hold of a part worn pair of tyres and have placed these on the back.

    The tyre was a Goodyear Eagle F1. It was 50 pence shaped on the inside edge. The wheel is genuine VW and balanced up perfectly with a new tyre on it.

    This has solved the noise but possibly not the underlying problem. So will get my mechanic friend to check the suspension and bushes etc.

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  • Mon, Aug 18 2008 4:10 PM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    peter0976
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    Bingo, I was pretty certain it was going to be an F1, there seems to have been quite a few with this problem. I remember seeing a post on seatcupra.net with more than one F1 suffering from this and also from personal experience. Whether it was a faulty batch of tyres etc, who knows.

  • Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:04 PM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    Satnam
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    i remember reading there was a faulty batch of the older f1's then they brought out the new design f1s which were bang on...

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  • Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:27 PM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    mr_wigster
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    I had the same problem with 2 Goodyear Eagle 2 tyres on my Escort GTi. Both rears went like this.  There was nothing wrong with the car and it didn't occur again when I fitted adifferent brand of rubber.

    I believe there is something in the rubber compounds that Goodyear use that means they do start to wear unevenly as they start to perish with age...

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  • Mon, Aug 18 2008 5:39 PM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    diesel dave
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    its a known problem with GY's in some patterns and i have seen lots over the last 20yrs in the tyre industry (20yrs experience ATS Michelin) they seem to be worse on low annual mileage cars than high mileage ones which wear them out before any casing problems show up.

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  • Tue, Aug 19 2008 9:59 AM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    timmyb
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    All good stuff guys, thanks! Beer I have put Avons on the front this time and some Hankook Ventus on the rear (part worn; which I got for free from my brothers manager who works for an alloy wheel/tyre company!)

    I hope thats all the problem was. I will let you know if it turns out to be anything else. Pretty bad of Goodyear if this is the case; given they are a premium brand.

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  • Tue, Aug 19 2008 11:59 AM Re: Flat spot one rear tyre, suspession appears ok. Any ideas?

    richwig83
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    I had goodyear NCT5s on the rear, i think they were the original tyres so they had been on for 45k miles! I too had a noise at 55mph, so i checked the tyres, and they had gone just like yours on the inside edge... very uneven blocks!!

    Changed them for F1s and the noise has disappeared!

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