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  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 4:49 AM Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    old_n07
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    Getting spare keys working on the MK4 platform can be a bit of a nightmare at first glance so here are a few pointers:

    Key overview:

    There are four types of key on the MK4 platform all have an immobiliser transponder fitted to facilitate starting the vehicle.

    1. Standard non-remote key

    2. Emergency key (plastic):

    3. Two button remote early type:

    4. Two button remote late type:

     

    The two button types can be seperated in two by grasping the key firmly in both hands and pulling the two halves appart, the top half with the buttons contains the remote control for locking and unlocking the car and the bottom half has the key blade and immobiliser chip inside.

    Top

    Bottom

    The immobiliser chip is highlighted in red in the last picture, these are made of glass and are very fragile - they are glued into the original VW keys and are next to impossible to remove without breaking and once cracked they don't work.

     

    Spare Keys \ Remotes

    1. Remotes (top half of key)

    If you want a new \ replacement remote fob then you need to make sure that the part number and frequency of the remote matches your current key fob. The replacement key fob can be a used item.

    To check your current key frequency you need to seperate the key in half then turn the top half over, on the back is the part number and frequency info

    There are two frequencies make sure you get the correct one!

     

    2. Keys (bottom half of remote key or standard non-remote type key)

    As the key bottom half contains the immobiliser chip there are a few things to look out for when buying a new \ replacement key, as keys that have been coded to an immobiliser 3 vehicle can't be recoded to a new vehicle as the chip is write once.

    Ideally buy a completely new key that has not been coded to another car before.

    If your car is immo2 based:

    You can buy a second hand key but you will need a new key blade to be cut, however the key can't have come from an immo3 vehicle as it can't be recoded

    If you car is immo3 based:

    The immobiliser can't be second hand (used), you will need a key bottom with a virgin transponder fitted to enable it to be coded to your car. So that means either

    1. A brand new key bottom half or
    2. A Second hand one with a new blade and then you will need to get a new transponder sepperately, Hickleys sell the transponder (AKTP2).

    Beware on eBay when looking at keys, the add may say new key blade fitted, this however does not mean that the transponder chip is new and uncoded so you might end up with a key that unlocks the car but can't be coded to start it afterwards - If in doubt explicitly ask the seller if the key has been coded to a vehicle or not and does it contain a virgin transponder.

    If you need a new key blade for a key there is a seller on Ebay that supplies new blanks cut from a digital photo Yes

    Once you have your new key it will need coding to your car, you will need the SKC (secret key code) to match the immobiliser chip to the car but you don't need the SKC to match the remote part for locking and unlocking the vehicle, some older cars had the SKC provided on the key tags that came with a new car. If yours didn't then it can be retrieved with some third party tools such as Vagtacho.

    VCDS (VagCom) can't retrieve the SKC code

    Hope that helps

    Neil

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  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 5:25 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    Keyser-Soze
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    First class Neil, all the info in one place & clearly laid out!Yes

    Had to do this recently for my mate who only had 1 key for his passat.

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  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 6:48 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    VR6Rich
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    Good guide Neil, one question though, I thought you could code a key using VCDS and don't need the SKC code?

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 7:14 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    old_n07
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    VR6Rich:

    I thought you could code a key using VCDS and don't need the SKC code?

    If you are coding the remote then you don't need the SKC but if you are doing the immobiliser chip then you need to log into the cluster first then adaption chanel 21 and code the keys.

    Neil

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 7:21 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    BlackMagic20vt
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     Great post Neil will hopefully answer alot of questions before people ask the same over and over again....

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 7:26 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    old_n07:

    VR6Rich:

    I thought you could code a key using VCDS and don't need the SKC code?

    If you are coding the remote then you don't need the SKC but if you are doing the immobiliser chip then you need to log into the cluster first then adaption chanel 21 and code the keys.

    Neil

    So in summary, if I get a new key and swap the blade section across I can just use VCDS to program the remote and thats it, but if I want to use the new key section, apart from getting the key cut, i'll need the SKC and VagTacho?

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 7:35 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    old_n07
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    VR6Rich:

    old_n07:

    VR6Rich:

    I thought you could code a key using VCDS and don't need the SKC code?

    If you are coding the remote then you don't need the SKC but if you are doing the immobiliser chip then you need to log into the cluster first then adaption chanel 21 and code the keys.

    Neil

    So in summary, if I get a new key and swap the blade section across I can just use VCDS to program the remote and thats it, but if I want to use the new key section, apart from getting the key cut, i'll need the SKC and VagTacho?

    Yes, if you want to just use the remote then you just need to pair it to the car, either by Vagcam (VCDS) or the key in the door method. But if you want to use the lower half with the immobiliser you will need the key cut and the SKC code to pair it to the car.

    Neil

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 7:40 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    BlackMagic20vt:

     Great post Neil will hopefully answer alot of questions before people ask the same over and over again....

    Hopefully it will save some of the repetative questions Tam Yes

    Neil

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 8:28 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    Neutron
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    Thank you for this - you just saved me £20 or more - I have been looking at getting a second-hand key for my immo3 and thought I'd covered everything. One bit that escaped my attention was the need for a fresh transponder !

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 11:05 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Neutron:

    Thank you for this - you just saved me £20 or more - I have been looking at getting a second-hand key for my immo3 and thought I'd covered everything. One bit that escaped my attention was the need for a fresh transponder !

    The transponders are pretty easy to get from Hickleys 

    the MKIV (non CAN based) uses the AKTP2 transponder (£7.47 inc VAT & P+P) and

    the MKV (CAN based) uses the TP23 transponder (£21.27 inc VAT & P&P)

     

    BTW great write up Neil Yes

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  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 11:26 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    sidhee73
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    Fantastic write up - the questions get asked countless times, so hopefully this one will be a sticky Yes

    Top man Neil !!!

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 12:18 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Cheers Gizmo - a useful bit of info, I did a quick Google to try and find out if they were available seperately but unless you know what you're looking for it's a bit tricky.

  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 12:32 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Yeh nice one mate . . . good of ya to take the time to put it all on Yes

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  • Tue, Mar 31 2009 2:59 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Great Post Neil, will save me some PM's Yes

    Need some help with Vagcom check - Keys/Immobilser adaptation/defeat - Ecu/Cluster Swap - Miles to Empty - Illuminated Needles - Autowindows etc...?
  • Thu, May 21 2009 6:16 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    Keyser-Soze
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    Who are the members that can get hold of new keys with virgin transponders?

    I would like an upgrade to the newer button square version if anyone can help please. 

    Current key part no: HLO 1J0 959 753A 433mhz. 

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  • Thu, May 21 2009 6:28 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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     Interesting, I only have one key and this is on my list of jobs. Good post!Big Smile

  • Thu, Jun 4 2009 6:42 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    Keyser-Soze
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    Can someone confirm if this key is suitable?

    After doing an OEM electric window install I only have one key now and have got another one off the bay.

    I have a key part no. HLO 1J0 959 753 AH 434MHz (Square 2 button).

    Key from ebay I have been told by the seller is a replacement for other model nos. HLO 1J0 959 753 CT 434MHz (Square 2 button).

    I know about the immo chip & all that, just need to know if the remote section will work as the seller says.

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  • Thu, Jun 4 2009 7:33 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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     Noticed this evening that my only key is breaking - the pin that holds the blade on fell out because the metal is cracked. Tried to open the key to get the codes off it, and it's absolutely stuck solid (I think I can see traces of glue Sad)

    Is there another way to get the codes, or am I going to have to go and pay VW's extortionate prices for a new one?

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  • Tue, Jun 23 2009 3:02 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Similar problem here ABM , mine is that i dont have a remote key fob to start with , only the spares so where do i start trying to figure out which part number? On other cars ive had the alarm ecu etc have helped me figure it out but i dont even know where it is on this car!

    Any tips?

     

  • Thu, Aug 27 2009 3:16 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    naut2k5
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    n00b question but how do you tell if your car is immo 2 or immo 3 based?

    Great write up!

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  • Thu, Aug 27 2009 3:34 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Ross-Tech Immobilizer information

    Basically 2000 - 2001 is immo2

    2001 - 2004 is immo3

    The MK5 is immo4

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  • Thu, Aug 27 2009 4:22 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    gizmo68:

    Ross-Tech Immobilizer information

    Basically 2000 - 2003 is immo2

    2003 - 2004 is immo3

    The MK5 is immo4

    Immo3 came in arround March 2001, all MK4's before this were Immo2 it is hit and miss arround the change over date to what you will have but if you read the cluster FAQ it tells you the difference and how to find which you have Yes

    Neil

  • Thu, Aug 27 2009 4:36 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    old_n07:

    Immo3 came in arround March 2001, all MK4's before this were Immo2 it is hit and miss arround the change over date to what you will have but if you read the cluster FAQ it tells you the difference and how to find which you have Yes

    Neil

    Not quite sure why i put 2003 as i just copied (badly from the looks of it lol) from the Ross-Tech site as per the link.

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  • Thu, Aug 27 2009 5:48 PM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    This car is 2002, so I gues!  Don't really wanna take out my cluster to find that out and don't have vag-com.  Will check the dash tomo for that little special symbol and get back Wink

    All this to see if I need a transponder or not ... got my key from ebay yesterday but didn't check if the transponder is a "virgin" or not.  The key does need cutting though - infact can I just get this cut at a normal key cutting place, or does it need to be done at acar place?

    Thx for your help guys, much appreciated! Yes

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  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 2:19 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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     That will be deffinitely immo3, you can check if the transponder has been coded before using VCDS (Vagcom), take a look at the key coding guides in the DIY section index Yes

    As for blade cutting, Timpsons can do it

    Neil

  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 4:30 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    cracking post, thanks

  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 4:36 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    awesome post Neil !!

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  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 5:31 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Ah Timpsons is near me in Bluewater Shopping Centre ! Woo Big Smile

    Any one with VagCom near Dartford or Kent / South London - I don't mind travelling Automobile

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  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 5:37 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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     PM R44MS_K he can do the coding and is based East London way Yes

  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 5:40 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    I think I will need the VAG Tacho to get the SKC code if I am understanding this correctly ..

    Again, anyone in the Kent/London area with this: http://www.vagproduct.com/product/vagtacho.htm Idea

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  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 5:42 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Oh and thats if the transponder is a used one right? :0 Will PM - Thx !!

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  • Fri, Aug 28 2009 5:47 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    old_n07
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     If it is a used transponder used it can't be coded to immo3, R44MS can retrieve the SKC etc.

  • Sat, Aug 29 2009 5:39 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    naut2k5
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    oh, guy has told me mine is a new transponder Yes

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  • Wed, Oct 14 2009 9:39 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

    peace1969
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    Hi all has anybody got the link for the website that sells replacement key fobs cases i need to update my two button oval one thanks.


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  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:02 AM Re: Buying new keys for the MK4 Golf \ Bora

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    Hi All, just bought my first Vdub, a '99 GT Tdi, with 45k on the clock. Really pleased with this find, but its not got any remote keys, just a standard non remote key, kinda sucks going back to putting a key in the door. I've read this FAQ and its not too clear how to determine whether my car is capable of remote central locking and what key type/model/freq/ I may need. Im guessing its a immo2 but thats about all I can gather without another key. Just enough info so I can buy the right key off ebay would be great, as Ill get it programmed at dealers as I dont have the vagcom sofware. Thanks for any pointers.

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