I'm sure most of us don't use Morrison's fuel in our cars, but might be worth passing this information to friends/relatives who may do...

As some of you may know, my old man works in a large Esso oil refinery.  He advised me yesterday not to buy fuel from Morrison's anymore because of changes they have made.  While all fuels now contain 5% bio ethanol as an environmental measure, Morrison's are using fuel with 15% bio ethanol which does not comply with British Standards (if you look on their pumps now, the BS mark has been removed and I have seen this for myself to confirm it).  Bio ethanol in some tests that Esso ran, can lead to degradation of rubber seals & gaskets where it comes into contact with them over a long period of time.  In the test room, this is believed to have lead to premature failures in the fuel systems.  New seals have been developed for new cars which resist this for longer, but older cars such as the Mk4 could still be prone to being affected by this.

It's not a chance I want to take and think it's worrying that Morrison's bosses have decided to take this gamble on the motorist's behalf without giving any warning information about it.

I just thought it was right to pass this on to make people aware...

Wigster.

 Good call mate

 Thanks for the warning, never knew that

Oh bulllll..

I always top up with morrisons petrol, mainly because i get a £5 voucher that i can sell to the father when i earn it. 

Where is the BS mark on the pumps?

I think I will be going across to asda but that pay with card over there

remember the old top gear,

where they raced the diesel bmw with they self made fuel ?

if i remember rightly this is exactly what happened to their car

I just think it's shocking that they changed the fuel to something which tests have shown to produce problems, then decided not to tell anyone.

Chris - if you fill up with fuel at any other petrol station, the BS mark is usually somewhere on the pump, either next to where you pick up the nozzle from or next to the display.  Morrison's no longer show the symbol. 

Wigster. 

Guessing I will be going to asda petrol from now on then.  Thanks for the information though.  Will pass it on.

How can they sell it if it doesnt conform to BS?

 Never used it before, and will make sure I never do. Thanks.

richwig83:

How can they sell it if it doesnt conform to BS?

X2?

Shocking, I never have or will put supermarket fuel in my car purely for the fact that I don't trust it and this strengthens my beleif that it is not to standard. Plus the local shell garages around these parts are all on a par with the supermarket prices or out by a penny so I go there but another thing to be heeded with all petrol stations ALWAYS PAY CASH NEVER USE A CARD AS THEY ARE ALL RIPE FOR SCAMMERS

 didn't know that mate. thanks alot for the warning

richwig83:

How can they sell it if it doesnt conform to BS?

I've no idea how they've done that.  If you look at their pumps though, it's quite clear that there are no BS markings anymore.  Quite worrying really. 

Wigster.

Well i'm not going there anymore.

man! i use morrison's fuel,like every week!!!! cause it's like the nearest one near my work.....

Quote from Morrisons website:

BioEthanol E85

Morrisons was the country's first petrol retailer to open a Bioethanol E85 refuelling pump, which reinforces our position as the UK's largest forecourt retailer of alternative fuels.  We believe that by encouraging the use of BioEthanol E85 we can contribute to the reduction in the harmful effects to the environment caused by the burning of fossil fuels. 

At the moment, BioEthanol can only be used in flex-fuel vehicles including the Saab 9-5 BioPower and the Ford Focus FFV.

Full details here. Including the few locations that actually supply E85.

Edit: The BSI standards are, for petrol (BS EN 228) and for diesel (BS EN 590) and these should be shown on the relevant pumps. Note "super fuels" (high octane) such as V Power petrol are covered by BS 7800.

Rustynuts:

Quote from Morrisons website:

BioEthanol E85

Morrisons was the country's first petrol retailer to open a Bioethanol E85 refuelling pump, which reinforces our position as the UK's largest forecourt retailer of alternative fuels.  We believe that by encouraging the use of BioEthanol E85 we can contribute to the reduction in the harmful effects to the environment caused by the burning of fossil fuels. 

At the moment, BioEthanol can only be used in flex-fuel vehicles including the Saab 9-5 BioPower and the Ford Focus FFV.

Full details here. Including the few locations that actually supply E85.

Edit: The BSI standards are, for petrol (BS EN 228) and for diesel (BS EN 590) and these should be shown on the relevant pumps. Note "super fuels" (high octane) such as V Power petrol are covered by BS 7800.

This is not what I was referring to - the link is to their commitment to 100% Bio Fuels.  I am talking about the bio fuel content that is included in the fuel blend that is dispensed from the regular pump at all stores, not the 100% limited trial they are doing in the link.

Wigster.

 useful info chaps!

mr_wigster:

Rustynuts:

Quote from Morrisons website:

BioEthanol E85

Morrisons was the country's first petrol retailer to open a Bioethanol E85 refuelling pump, which reinforces our position as the UK's largest forecourt retailer of alternative fuels.  We believe that by encouraging the use of BioEthanol E85 we can contribute to the reduction in the harmful effects to the environment caused by the burning of fossil fuels. 

At the moment, BioEthanol can only be used in flex-fuel vehicles including the Saab 9-5 BioPower and the Ford Focus FFV.

Full details here. Including the few locations that actually supply E85.

Edit: The BSI standards are, for petrol (BS EN 228) and for diesel (BS EN 590) and these should be shown on the relevant pumps. Note "super fuels" (high octane) such as V Power petrol are covered by BS 7800.

This is not what I was referring to - the link is to their commitment to 100% Bio Fuels.  I am talking about the bio fuel content that is included in the fuel blend that is dispensed from the regular pump at all stores, not the 100% limited trial they are doing in the link.

Wigster.

Ahh, I misunderstood then. In your first post you say "Morrison's are using fuel with 15% bio ethanol which does not comply with British Standards (if you look on their pumps now, the BS mark has been removed and I have seen this for myself to confirm it)."

In the link I posted they're talking about 85% Bio Ethanol. I confused the percentages.

Look at the time of my post. It was early and I hadn't had my coffee.

Doesn't sound good, don't go Morrisons to often but i think the gf does occasionally.

Good heads up man!

Never use supermarket fuel, always ques at morrisons pumps though when shells 1p cheaper :O

Cheers for the warning. I will let my dad know as he fills up at Morrisons sometimes.

Rustynuts:

mr_wigster:

Rustynuts:

Quote from Morrisons website:

BioEthanol E85

Morrisons was the country's first petrol retailer to open a Bioethanol E85 refuelling pump, which reinforces our position as the UK's largest forecourt retailer of alternative fuels.  We believe that by encouraging the use of BioEthanol E85 we can contribute to the reduction in the harmful effects to the environment caused by the burning of fossil fuels. 

At the moment, BioEthanol can only be used in flex-fuel vehicles including the Saab 9-5 BioPower and the Ford Focus FFV.

Full details here. Including the few locations that actually supply E85.

Edit: The BSI standards are, for petrol (BS EN 228) and for diesel (BS EN 590) and these should be shown on the relevant pumps. Note "super fuels" (high octane) such as V Power petrol are covered by BS 7800.

This is not what I was referring to - the link is to their commitment to 100% Bio Fuels.  I am talking about the bio fuel content that is included in the fuel blend that is dispensed from the regular pump at all stores, not the 100% limited trial they are doing in the link.

Wigster.

Ahh, I misunderstood then. In your first post you say "Morrison's are using fuel with 15% bio ethanol which does not comply with British Standards (if you look on their pumps now, the BS mark has been removed and I have seen this for myself to confirm it)."

In the link I posted they're talking about 85% Bio Ethanol. I confused the percentages.

Look at the time of my post. It was early and I hadn't had my coffee.

No worries.  I don't function between 8am and 12pm!    Even if I do show at local meets on the weekend during the morning hours, I tend to be hung-over. 

Steve.

 ive just noticed the B.P. garage near me doesnt have the b.s. marks on the pumps or the nozzles, have they started usin gthis fuel too??

dougall:

 ive just noticed the B.P. garage near me doesnt have the b.s. marks on the pumps or the nozzles, have they started usin gthis fuel too??

As far as I know it's just Morrison's.  I'll ask the old man when I next speak to him to check. 

Wigster.

 I smell horse crap.

Matt20vt:

 I smell horse crap.

Very consructive answer that, well done.  Either take the warning, or leave it - entirely up to you.  I regularly spend time deliberately trying to think up elaborate wind-up's for no good reason. 

Wigster.

I'm not suggesting you're making it up, you're merely repeating something you were told.

I simply find it hard to believe a large company would disregard BS EN 228:2004 standards, across hundreds of forecourts risking customers vehicles and subsequent action against them in damages, plus action by HM Revenue & Customs and European courts.

 I can't see how they can get away from this either being a big supermarket chain,i thought they would have to show the BS code by law. 

So what BS code is the fuel they are selling then? or doesn't it have one thats why there is no sticker at the pumps?

I don't use Morrisons fuel anyway but i will spead the word

 I always fill up on Super Unleaded (99Ron) at Tescos in Sleaford and havent seen any British Standard marks on their pumps either!!

I NEED my Clubcard points!!

dougall:

 ive just noticed the B.P. garage near me doesnt have the b.s. marks on the pumps or the nozzles, have they started usin gthis fuel too??

Me to, the BP in my village doesnt have these marks on & neither does the Total garage in the town?

 Thanks for the warning Wigster! I never use supermarket fuels but im sure my parents do!

 is tescos 99ron fuel ok??? :)

thank god i never use morrisons