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#1 mk4 Turbo

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Posted 26 December 2002 - 04:08 PM

Could anyone tell me where I can get a fast road clutch installed, and how much I am looking at please?



Basically now I have the car APR'd, the extra power is not being felt fully as the clutch is slipping (Richard if you read this, that must be what was causing the rev counter upset)



I never knew it was happening until the extra power is now going through. The clutch has been stinking for a while especially after pushing the car a little.


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Posted 26 December 2002 - 04:33 PM

German and Swedish sell the Sachs performance clutch which always is well recommended by people.



I think EBC might do one, but I'd still rather stick to Sachs. Can't think of anyone else.

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Posted 27 December 2002 - 03:43 AM

Hi,



I have the same problem (started slipping since chip - hoping

it's slippage and not contamination!!!)



Got a good quote from stealthreacing:



250+VAT for a Helix motorsport clutch

150+VAT to fit (i.e cheap)



So, about 500 all in.



Stealth have a good rep too.



HTH



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Posted 27 December 2002 - 03:59 AM

Thanks for the reply guys.



What do you mean by contamination Bigjon? As in oil on the clutch?



How much would I be looking for a clutch from VW just the standard one?

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Posted 27 December 2002 - 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by mk4 Turbo


Thanks for the reply guys.



What do you mean by contamination Bigjon? As in oil on the clutch?



How much would I be looking for a clutch from VW just the standard one?






Yeah, blown oil seal...



VW in Camberley quoted me £200 parts + £300 labour all

+ VAT. I couldn't stop myself laughing in their faces....



TSR Performance offered 200+vat for a Black Diamond clutch

and £180+vat to fit. I think I will be going for the Stealth

racing one though

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Posted 28 December 2002 - 01:55 AM

[:o] that's a ridiculous price. My car is still under warranty but only until the beginning of April. I guess the clutch isn't covered though, as it's going to be wear and tear.



If it's going to cost that much, I guess i will go with what you're doing and have the same clutch.

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Posted 13 January 2003 - 04:45 AM

It died today [:(] so I have had to get the job done at the stealer now [:(] no helix clutch for me for a while.



Meant to ask, will the standard clutch be ok with the remap now?

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Posted 13 January 2003 - 04:57 AM

Hope they will cover it under warranty......

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Posted 13 January 2003 - 05:01 AM

It's worn out, so it's not covered. The burning smell was horendous lol.

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Posted 13 January 2003 - 03:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mk4 Turbo


It died today [:(] so I have had to get the job done at the stealer now [:(] no helix clutch for me for a while.



Meant to ask, will the standard clutch be ok with the remap now?






Can anyone answer the above question please?

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Posted 14 January 2003 - 02:22 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by mk4 Turbo


It died today [:(] so I have had to get the job done at the stealer now [:(] no helix clutch for me for a while.



Meant to ask, will the standard clutch be ok with the remap now?






Can anyone answer the above question please?






Hmm, well mine started slipping about 3 weeks after being chipped.

Give AMD a call and see what they think about the stock clutch...

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Posted 16 January 2003 - 10:33 AM

£491 at the stealers [:(] but I had no choice, the damn thing was totally burnt out and I had to call VW assistance.

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 08:54 AM

If you do drive the car very hard from standstill then you are best off ditching the normal 1.8T dual mass flywheel and clutch, as they seem to be having problems even on standard cars.



The best way to sort it is to just stick on a normal 228mm flywheel and clutch off a Mk2 G60 or Mk3 VR6.



If you do this you also have a much bigger range of performance clutches to choose from, and arent as expensive.



You can also get some nice lightweight ally flywheels in this size, but may not be very practical for road use!

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 07:10 AM

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If you do drive the car very hard from standstill then you are best off ditching the normal 1.8T dual mass flywheel and clutch, as they seem to be having problems even on standard cars.



The best way to sort it is to just stick on a normal 228mm flywheel and clutch off a Mk2 G60 or Mk3 VR6.



If you do this you also have a much bigger range of performance clutches to choose from, and arent as expensive.



You can also get some nice lightweight ally flywheels in this size, but may not be very practical for road use!






IF you do this I think you need the G60 flywheel. Don't think

the VR6 one has the right bolt pattern??

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Posted 05 February 2003 - 03:36 PM

according to dieselgeek you can use OEM G60/A3(Mk3?) TDI Flywheel + VR6 Sachs Clutch Kit which has been found to be a better set up for both 1.8T and TDI MK4 Golfs



here is the link



http://www.dieselgeek.com/

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Posted 05 April 2003 - 04:21 AM

I suggest you talk to Chris at Stealth Motorsport Engineering in Weston-super-Mare 01934 823355, as he has been working on my Mk4 for the past couple of weeks and had to order a TT Clutch kit from VW, as they now recognise that their is a problem with the original and are upgrading them when they fail with the Audi bitz!



Premature clutch failure is a known problem on the Mk4, apparently!



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Posted 08 April 2003 - 02:54 PM

I run a Helix VR6 clutch setup in my 20VT motor..

02J 5 spd g'box.



To enable this change I had to junk the dual mass flywheel assembly and get a new flywheel. G60 or ABF 16v are fine. I went for an ABF 16v flywheel, which I had lightened and balanced.

VR6 Helix cover plate and centre plate in 228mm size were mated this.



you need to use the ABF flywheels bolts (new ones).



Works fine for me, although when launched is smells "orrid". It puts up with its power and track abuse ok.... Stock clutch slipped at 12K miles only. This ones been ever since and I'm on 27K now.



Autotech in the USA also list this kind of conversion for 1.8T cars.



regards

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Posted 21 April 2003 - 11:29 AM

Hi,



I have a notchy gearshift when cold and sometimes when warm. I went to VW asking them to check out the box, for my MkIII had a syncro prob, so did a friend with a MkII. They said it is my clutch that is busy getting worn out. I feel no slipage on the clutch though... I got a preliminary quote on a new clutch and labour... get this...



A new clutch assy. R6100 (at R12/£ = £500) Labour would be R2000 (£166). This brings us to roughly £666. [:o] The actual question... Can you replace only the clutch without the flywheel? Does anyone have a component layout of a Mk4 1.8T Clutch?



I saw the posts of the other clutch kits... which is the best though?



thanks

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 12:14 PM

Hi,



My clutch now only bites when the pedal is almost fully extended (as-in the position when you aren't depressing it!) Does that mean my clutch is on it's way out or is it simply the clutch cable that needs re-adjusting?



It's a 2001 115 GTI.. so I guess it's cable, not DBW.



- Toff.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 12:24 PM

Sorry, forgot to ask..



I drove my mates Audi 1.8T quattro (chipped to 230bhp) which was very quick indeed.. he had a lightend flywheel and the car seemed to loose a lot of momentum when changing gears, even on a really quick change..



Is that because his flywheel is too light or is this the characterisitc that people actually want [?] Is the general benefit of fitting a lightend flywheel that you reduce the inertia from standing starts etc? I'd appreciate your advice.



Cheers - Toff.

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 06:07 AM

oops.. I killed the thread!

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 06:59 AM

Hmm seems like basic physics to me. Lighten the flywheel and it will take less effort to spin it up, the disadvantage is that with less weight it will spin down quiker during gearchanges as it carries less inertia as it has less mass.



I would have thought that quick shifting would reduce this effect as the drive is reapplied quicker. Depends on what you use the car for, sprinting and track lighten it, day to day relaxed (yeah right) driving leave the mass as it is.

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 11:06 AM

less inertia yes, but the 20VT DBW motor hangs its revs slightly anyway.



No probs from my lightened flywheel in the 18K miles its been on there



BIll

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Posted 06 June 2003 - 01:04 PM

Bill,



What does hangs its revs slightly mean then ?



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Posted 06 June 2003 - 01:08 PM

Paul,



I believe he means that on the DBW when you release the accelerator pedal, it will hold the revs at the level you released at for a very short time. Whereas on a non DBW when you release all tension from the throttle cable, it immediately drops the revs.

So kind of like a programmed delay in the time you release the pedal, and the time the management releases the virtual cable.



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Posted 08 June 2003 - 06:23 PM

Hi badger5..



So, with your lightened fly-wheel, is your car quicker off the mark...? How has it transformed the car (if you can rember back to when you got it?



Cheers - Toff.

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Posted 09 June 2003 - 12:02 PM

Erm...

Its been a while... but from memory the engine's response was slightly sharper, but not in a Wow type manner. ECU governs things ultimately.

I had it lightened as it was a huge slab of iron and was being replaced anyhow. If I had'nt of been upgrading to a 228mm VR6 clutch setup I would'nt have bothered lightening the flywheel.

Its 9lb's weight the car does'nt have to carry any more.



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Posted 20 July 2003 - 11:20 AM

quote:
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Its 9lb's weight the car does'nt have to carry any more.



Bill






It's not quite as simple as that. see:

http://www.pumaracin...uk/flywheel.htm





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