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#2 Carlos

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:51 AM

The R32 is a great car.....but if you don't mind the higher running/servicing costs of the M3 then get one!


They are awesome cars, have you driven one?



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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:00 AM

I've never driven an R32, but as I do have experience of those superb M cars I would echo Carlos and say just drive one.


If it's any consolation I didn't like the image of BMWs either, now I'm on my second[:D] (and I still don't like the image - a small minority spoils it for the rest....!)



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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:13 AM

M3 is in another league all together, but the running costs are very
high. Inspection 2 service for example - the
wrong side of £700, assuming there is nothing wrong! In fact alot of M3
owners go over to France for a service for the price saving. Great car
but the
3.2 is by BMWs own admitance quite highly stressed, and costly
ownership is likely. Its a true performance car with performance
running costs, not really comparable to the R32, which is much easier
on the wallet.



Idoubt you would be dissapointed with either!











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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:24 AM

The M3 any day for me, my cousins got one and its just so fun to drive
and the scream from the engine when you rev it 7000rpm upwards is hir
standing experience, just the noise does it for me, but as everyone
says the servicing costs can be a killer if the cars not been treated
properly. It all depends on how much you got to spend and if you want
rear wheel drive fun, or everyday fun with the 4x4 of the R32, in my
opinion If i had the money I'd go for the M3 but both cars are equally
impressive.



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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:34 AM

phew atleast its not a BMW bashing thread !! I'd go M3 too - when the E90 M3 comes out, I may consider it for the missus to replace her 330 sport. I know all dealerships vary but my local BM dealer is heaps better than my local VW one...
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:03 AM

If servicing is an issue then something like Mike's 330 with toys would be my choice over an R32.

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 12:27 PM

drove a 330 - no faster than the vectra, and at
least 3 times the price!





The R32 is no good to you then, you will need an M3....



Golf  R32 3.2         3198cc 6
Cylinder         237BHP  
      153MPH        
0-60: 6.4 Seconds



BMW 330Ci         2979cc 6
Cylinder         235BHP  
      153MPH        
0-60: 6.2 Seconds



Vectra  3.2 GSI       3175cc 6
Cylinder         208BHP  
      154MPH        
0-60: 7.1 Seconds



BMW M3 3.2      3246cc 6 Cylinder  
      343BHP        
155MPH         0-60: 5.0 Seconds























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Posted 10 August 2005 - 05:08 PM

Back in January this year, I had use of my friends 2001 M3 SMG coupe for 4 days..



I can summarise a few points on what I feel:



M3 Pros:

Engine - SUPREME power from 4000-8000 rpm.   Accelaration above 60mph is on a different level

Brakes - Very powerful



Cons:

Very very tail happy. 

Very very tail happy

Lack of power below 4000 Rpm (but compensated for the sheer grunt from 5-8k!)

Overly heavy steering, not much feedback


SMG gearbox is damn fun, but still flawed..  Go for a manual I think.









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Posted 10 August 2005 - 05:45 PM

I am a self confeessed BMW hater, I will get flamed for this, for several reasons I would go for the R, both personal to me


  • In Liverpool the M3 has a VERY big Drug Dealer Image. dont know about the rest of the country


  • I dont Like the Messy looks of BMs, heavy swage lines and chrome kidney Grills, put me off

  • the seating position, I hate offset Pedals with a vengence, Also
    I get the feeling theye where designed with a 6'4 german in mind, and Im
    short!

  • Cost, if I was going to spend that on an M3 I would buy an Older
    Porshce Or even 348 ferrari, servicing would be cheaper at a specialist
    than main BMW on an M3



  • The R would be less of a drivers car, but also less of a liability in terms of deprciation and servicing,

  • The R would be quicker 80% of the time on our roads, as they are wet 80% of the time, theM3 is renowned for not likeing it wet

  • The R fits with my own personal image more, personal one this but I know what I mean

  • Do I really need the extra oomph of the M3 , no it will just get me in trouble

  • Is the M3 more of a fashion Item? to alot of people, 
    debatable, as time goes on and the R is less of the "today cult car" Id
    say yes


It all depends on what your looking for personally, hope this helps.





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Posted 11 August 2005 - 02:36 AM

I must admit that I don't like the image of BMWs and I have never driven a M3 but I do have an R32.


I have seen more M3s on the road than R32s, as said above the servicing will be hefty (but that doesn't bother you), Servicing on the R32 every 20K miles.


The R32 has more bottle than I do when it comes to corners, haven't had it let go on me in an unexpected manner. Maybe I'm not trying hard enough.


Don't know how fuel consumption compares but I get between 28 and 31 mpg on decent length journeys when sticking to the speed limits(ish[;)])


Love the R32 interior, love the exterior styling, oh yeah I had fun with a GSI when I first got her and up to silly speeds he was a dot in my mirror (an M3 would be even better for that though).


I don't know mate it must be a tough call, what about an audi S4/RS4 don't know what the second hand market is like for these but I bet they command a premium.



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Posted 11 August 2005 - 06:44 AM

Is it the new Style vectra you have, the 3.2 gsi, My mate has got one
and it is a cracking, car, I may get slated for this one here but you
may be a bit disapointed in the R's power delivery, after having a new
vectra, i know the R has more BHP, but the vetra is much lighter and
doesnt suffer with 4wd transmission loss, I think the Rs4 would be your
best bet.



Back to the BMW thing, I know exactly what you mean, there is a
notorious council estate in Liverpool, and every street has at least
one x5 and an M3 if not more, it really is crazy!





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Posted 11 August 2005 - 07:06 AM

Would definitely got for the M3 without a doubt. If you can afford to buy/own one then, the servicing cost shall not be an issue as such, taking all the enjoyment and the feel-good factor into account. M3 is one special car...

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 08:02 AM

If £30k is your budget why not just browse the autotrader for ideas?


There's an RS6 in Fontain for £35k, an S4 V8 avant for £26k, a new shape 530d for £31k, a supercharged C32 AMG for £27k and loads of good performance cars.


Yes BMWs do have a poor image but the driving experience is second to none but the most advanced performance cars, they're not just boggo main stream cars with a few goodies on, they're designed from the ground up to have good weight distribution, handling and ride that doesn't need a £500 suspension kit to make 'right'....


The problem is that so many people have bought them they have become main stream yet still remain aspirational for many. I've been fortunate enough to own and experience many different cars and brands, BMW, Audi, VW, Porsche remain my favourites whilst there are some excellent jewels in other manufacturers ranges - Honda, Alfa, Skoda, Volvo to name a few.


What do you want from the car? Just performance? or do you need a practical side too? is economy a factor? size? etc etc


IMHO whatever you buy that's comparable to an M3s performance will have some issues, cost, image, depreciation etc. What are you prepared to put up with for that fun factor?


Personally when you put an R32 next to an M3 I just wouldn't even consider the Golf.


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Posted 11 August 2005 - 09:11 AM

I've racked up 33,000 of the 42,000 miles on my R32 over the past 18 months and I've enjoyed every single one of them. Running costs are fairly reasonable - although that depends on the fuel prices. I tend to see around 26 - 31 mpg. Current tank is 30.5 mpg with 1/4 left. However, I do commute to and from Bristol every day covering about 85 miles. My 40k service was around £500 since it involved a Haldex oil change at the same time. 


The R32 still gets looks, still gets pointed at and occasionally I am stopped in car parks and asked about it. Deep-Blue Pearl is a fantastic colour, although for ultimate coolness opt for Anthracite Grey if you can find one. Plus, nobody can deny that an R32 with the exhaust flapper disconncted or a Milltek exhaust fitted is one of the best sounding cars around.


My previous Boss owned two E46 M3s and while I was completely bowled over by the performance of the car, I was disappointed by it's lack of rarity, drug-dealer/arrogant image and completely bog-standard interior - it felt like I was sat in a 318i with fancy seats. However, it is unfair to compare an R32 to the M3 dynamically. The M3 really is King - and so it should be considering it was twice the price when new. At the end of the day you've got to go and test drive them and see what fits your needs the best.


However....RS4....now that's more like it....



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Posted 11 August 2005 - 10:55 AM

A car for me has to fit in with me and isnt just about performance etc... for me a car is a statement about me, what Im happy projecting as an image. Im sure one day I may find myself sat in a BMW or Merc, and for that to happen it would need to be an M or something good looking with performance to match.


When buying a car I do want performance, dont get me wrong, but I also what something that looks stylish, aggressive but cool, that you can blast around in one minute, and cruise the next. The R for me ticks those boxes, it was in budget, I love the looks/styling, and so do most that see an R in the flesh, the performance is enough for me (after a Milltek and remap anyways) and I have to say Im as ahppy as larry with it!


If/when it comes round to change time, I will either get a new Mk 5 R32, or if funds permit an RS4. I just cant see myself in a BM for now anyways, they do nothing for me, too common, too stereotypical, too NOT ME! No offence to anyone on here with a BM but most of the people I know who have them, have them cos they lack abit of imagination when it comes to buying a car!


Good luck with your choice, have to say its a nice choice to have [;)



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Posted 11 August 2005 - 11:38 AM

No offence to anyone on
here with a BM but most of the people I know who have them, have them
cos they lack abit of imagination when it comes to buying a car!





Non taken, anyone who knows me (and remembers my last car) knows that I
don't mind bucking the trend when it comes to cars. On this occasion
after driving around 9 different options, I kept coming back to the
330Ci because nothing else seems to do the same job anywhere near as
well.



I just cant see myself in a BM for now anyways, they do nothing for
me, too common, too stereotypical, too NOT ME!





I always find this point of view amusing. If they are not you, thats
cool - Mercs do abolutely nothing for me for example. But I understand
why some people like them.



Some seem to put cars into two categories -
'BMWs' and 'Everything Else'. A BMW is a car choice with + and -
attributes just like every other car ever made. The M3 has a dodgy
image and its driven by a lot of drug dealers and wideboy to$$ers -
true! Alot of TTs are driven by fat estate agents and gay hair dressers. Does
that make it a crap car though...



But how MKIV owners can call E46 based cars common or stereotypical
mystifies me, the
MKIV is one of the most common cars on the road and the GTI an obvious
company car choice for decades. I say buy a car for how it feels,
drives and
makes you feel rather than what others think of you in it - and both the R32 and M3 will give huuuuge smiles per mile!






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Posted 11 August 2005 - 12:00 PM

But how MKIV owners can call E46 based cars common or stereotypical mystifies me, the MKIV is one of the most common cars on the road and the GTI an obvious company car choice for decades.


I was only referring to the R32 and M3 derivatives of those cars. With all the driving I do, I see a lot more M3s than R32s. In fact, if I'm honest, we used to play the M3 game a few months back - count the number of M3s you see on one car journey. Very rarely did I go on a long-ish journey and not see an M3. Quite an amusing game. Also works well with the Audi TT or chavved up Vauxhalls [:P]


But like you say, either way it's "smiles per mile".



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Posted 11 August 2005 - 12:33 PM

The M3 is a great car, I've owned mine for just over 3 years from new.


It is an expensive car to own, especially if you have the mod bug like me.


You can buy a whole turbo back exhaust system for the new MK5 GTI for less than the price of just the backbox for a M3. The complete exhaust system on my M3 cost just over £2500 inc100cpsi racing cats. I never manage more than 17mpg as an average and a set of decent tyres is nearly a grand all round.


Also I agree that there are far too many E46 M3s on the road now but this does make them cheap to pick-up, just make sure you get a warranty. Some M3 are coming up to four years old which qualifies for the FourPlus servicing scheme run by BMW which is almost half regular price.


I'm planning on changing my M3 for a MK5 GTI and Caterham 7. I've worked out the running costs inc depresation on these two cars will be less than what I've spent and lost on the M3.


I recommend you try one, also check out www.bm3w.co.uk.


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Posted 12 August 2005 - 02:52 PM

I think the R32 has a better image; more of a "Q" car imo. I think most people who buy M3s do so to pose in; I also think E46s are massively over-rated. I ran a 325i for a year and was distinctly "underwhelmed" by this car. So many car magazines raved about the E46(especially the 6 cyl models); but my memories are mostly negative. The engine sounded great but for 192bhp was suprisingly flat below 3500rpm. Fuel economy also poor; averaged 26mpg over 10K miles of mixed driving. The handling was good but the balance was wrong; front-end far too skittish at speeds>60mph. Cars also tramlined easily; bigger wheels even worse. Driving position was truely hopeless; pedals too close together and off-set, seat difficult to adjust due to stupid lever design and limited headroom added to the fun. I could have coped with all this except for the dealer being completely incompetent(even worse than VW dealer); my car was in their workshop 8 times in 12 months. Sadly the faults were relatively minor yet the dealer  took 3/4 attempts to fix them.

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 03:09 PM

Despite people voicing their opinions - I think you’ve made your own mind up already. You obviously don’t appreciate an M3 for what it is. I think you should build up a little more driving experience and attain a little more maturity, which should hopefully set you on a path where the frivolous opinions of others comes second to the more important decision of what YOU like and what YOU see will fit for your given set of circumstances. Good luck with the R32, but to be sure, you might want to send out a questionnaire to your immediate neighbours to see if they would approve. Wouldn’t want you being branded a boy-racer now…


 


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Posted 28 August 2005 - 03:57 AM

Decisions decisions...pah


There are many plus points to both cars and comparing the two on a performance level is pointless.


IMO if it were me and I had the budget I'd go for the 5 litre M5....good image not many around a good reliable 400 bhp V8 power


If budgets/running costs are consideration then personally I'd choose an R32.


 


Most people are right in the fact that the M3 although is a very competant car it's image is poor and they are a common sight on the road..probably because they are so good. BMW's are the most heavily financed car in the UK because apparently upwardly mobile people like them...especially in central London.


I think the R32 is very much a cult car even if has only 237 bhp....it still has style and is very rare in comparison


 


I'd like to buy one and I own a 240+ bhp MKIV with all the right bits..............I'd love that Supercharged R32 that AmD are selling...probably the ultimate R32


 


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Posted 28 August 2005 - 02:26 PM

Can we look on the flips side of the coin here? You may see alot of M3's on the road.....but theres a reason for that! They are a GOOD car!


An "exclusive" car is one of two things....Expensive or poor quality.


I see ALOT more M3's than S4/RS4's....and thats because the M3 is a better car. Simple!


The fact there are a few on the roads will not stop me from getting one as my next car!







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