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#1 aalsayegh81

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:21 AM

Good day

Im planing on a 500 WHP for R32 2007 DSG

MY PLAN IS A turbo KIT

THE CAR IS 180,000 km stander DSG

What turbo kit do u suggest( cts stage 2,3,4)
Or any other ?

Do i meed to change engine bottom ?

Can the DSG Handel 500 hp ?

What tune do you recommend ?

Can you shear your R32 builds


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:33 AM

A lot of questions.

If it's done 180k, I'd be building the engine regardless. Bearings will have wear, bores will need honed.

Manifolds, wastegate, turbo, lines, injectors, fuel pump, FMIC, pipework all needed.

Choose the kit with the HP target.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:21 PM

ermmm i have seen them with higher mileage and no work done whatsoever run a stage one kit.... you might want to start with that running a maximum of 1 bar boost, will see you around 350 bhp and to be honest with the car having that many miles the only option you'll want to consider. ..

 

it will still need boostpipes, fmic, manifold, wastegate , turbo, and turbo oil lines but the rest can be done at a later stage ( and to be honest the best way to go) if you want stage 2 or more.... the engine needs a rebuild, and some serious blue printing as the compression will have to be lowered  ....this as you might have figured is very costly.... 

 

you can always just go for a supercharger kit although more expensive it's just a bolt on and will see you the same power as a stage 1 turbo setup. look at Vortech or Rotrex these are both good quality and because they are small only need a bracket for them to be put on... (I would go for the Rotrex as it has it's own oil supply, the Vortech versions all need oil lines plumbing in)

 

no need for all the other stuff and with a FMIC added in they are both capable of up to 375bhp or more... (bigger injectors needed though) 

 

there are other brands of superchargers that also fit but you'll have to created your own bracket....one brand is called Raptor... it is a copy of the vortech v2 version but i haven't really seen these used on the vw platform.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:30 PM

350, sure, slap a charger on it.

500 is a different ball game.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:16 PM

350, sure, slap a charger on it.

500 is a different ball game.

true but he needs to know that a turbo build stage 1 or stage 2 are way more involved and need a lot of parts but the supercharger option is a lot easier and cheaper (although the initial costs are higher, both good brands aren't cheap) also you can recover most of your money afterwards when you sell the supercharger off and put the car back to standard... unlike a turbo build were because you have changed most of the engine putting it back to standard isn't really an option.... 

 

in my book the best FI for an r32 is to go supercharger... and don't forget with the r32 being 4 motion you actually put that power down and because of that it will keep up with cars with bigger bhp... look on youtube you'll find a few there that only have around 350 bhp yet they keep up with +500 bhp turbo-ed cars without a problem as they actually put both their power and torque down... you just need to find a good remapper after you've bolted the lot on like i said make sure it has a FMIC... if you get  bigger injectors... the remapper might be able to get around 450 bhp out of it but that means a better fuelpump will need to be installed also...

 

talk to storm-developments about their supercharger setups and the ask them to sent you some information... you can always look abroad at this company   and see what is possible with a supercharger... they are the go to place in the Benelux for supercharger setups ;)

 

that all said if he really wants 500 BHP from his setup a stage 2 with a ball bearing and watercooled turbo is the way forward but that all said it also adds more plumbing to the mix (coolant for cooling the turbo + oil for the turbo) and he still needs the whole list we already stated before plus the extra engine work that needs to be done...

 

and because of all the extra stuff that needs to be done for a R32 turbo that puts out 500+ bhp you don't see loads of them around ;)   

basically with all that needs to be done you can buy a more powerfull car that needs less work

...and if you go further stage 3 -6 you can buy a mint condition r32 that has done less miles than yours and put a supercharger on both your old r32 and the one with less miles as the price of parts and work needed will set you back at least 12k, mind you this is with you DIY-ing most of it 


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:24 PM

What do i need to have 500 hp on my R32


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:34 PM

Lots of advice thrown at you here, but I'm guessing you are outside of the UK so talking to Storm Developments isn't going to work for you. Are you in Europe? Are you looking to get the car converted by a specialist? How about VR6 Specialists (I believe now renamed to TVS Engineering) in Holland? Or HGP in Germany? Or if you are in North America, you could try HPA?

 

None of these are cheap, in fact they are very expensive, but boosting the 3.2 isn't cheap and we don't know your budget. The cheapest / easiest way to boost an R32 is to buy one that someone else boosted, so the hit of the labour and parts expense is all taken by the guy that originally paid for it. In some cases even if you want to keep your original car, you buy someone else's boosted car, transfer their parts to yours and sell their car as normally aspirated. This can work out very well :Y:


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:38 PM

Big turbo, pisssing injectors, intercooler


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:52 PM

Bit more than that ;)

 

Uprated fuel pump, different MAF, intercooler+pipework, large bore (minimum 3") custom exhaust / downpipe, upgraded cats (yes its possible to still be legal and keep cats on a boosted 3.2 but need to be bigger/less restrictive),  upgraded cast inlet manifold (R32 plastic inlet can compress/shrink/restrict under load), head spacer to alter compression, oil / water lines for turbo, injectors, uprated clutch/flywheel (can get away with standard if SC but if turbo no chance unless small turbo), ECU map, DSG gearbox map, turbo.

 

Probably more I forgot but there's plenty of expensive stuff to buy / install. Also if your 3.2 has never had the cam chain swapped, swap that and the tensioners / guides at the same time as boosting the engine, whilst everything is stripped.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:13 AM

Bit more than that ;)

 

Uprated fuel pump, different MAF, intercooler+pipework, large bore (minimum 3") custom exhaust / downpipe, upgraded cats (yes its possible to still be legal and keep cats on a boosted 3.2 but need to be bigger/less restrictive),  upgraded cast inlet manifold (R32 plastic inlet can compress/shrink/restrict under load), head spacer to alter compression, oil / water lines for turbo, injectors, uprated clutch/flywheel (can get away with standard if SC but if turbo no chance unless small turbo), ECU map, DSG gearbox map, turbo.

 

Probably more I forgot but there's plenty of expensive stuff to buy / install. Also if your 3.2 has never had the cam chain swapped, swap that and the tensioners / guides at the same time as boosting the engine, whilst everything is stripped.

 

ps don't forget the supporting mod's.... stiffer engine mounts, polybushed suspension, coilovers (best to buy expensive ones that offer dampening and rebound adjusting),stiffer adjustable drop links, and while you are add it you might want to consider better brake calipers and better pads

 

also if you look at my reply i already sent him towards TVS engineering... but he can also contact HGP in Germany... also he could speak to JD Engineering

both TVS and JD are well known for their skills in Europe but HGP trumps them with having worldwide exposure and because of this they have some seriously sick dual turbo setups that are well know worldwide.... but both TVS and JD engineering can do the same for you also they have parts listed that they use to achieve certain BHP setups that you can use as a guide... just click on the links ;)



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 11:21 AM

Already mentioned HGP and HPA, but as I said we are talking big big money, so he better have deep pockets.


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 01:12 PM

Already mentioned HGP and HPA, but as I said we are talking big big money, so he better have deep pockets.

100% true!



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:58 AM

Bit more than that ;)

Uprated fuel pump, different MAF, intercooler+pipework, large bore (minimum 3") custom exhaust / downpipe, upgraded cats (yes its possible to still be legal and keep cats on a boosted 3.2 but need to be bigger/less restrictive), upgraded cast inlet manifold (R32 plastic inlet can compress/shrink/restrict under load), head spacer to alter compression, oil / water lines for turbo, injectors, uprated clutch/flywheel (can get away with standard if SC but if turbo no chance unless small turbo), ECU map, DSG gearbox map, turbo.

Probably more I forgot but there's plenty of expensive stuff to buy / install. Also if your 3.2 has never had the cam chain swapped, swap that and the tensioners / guides at the same time as boosting the engine, whilst everything is stripped.


Any turbo kit suggestion


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:06 AM

Match the manifold to the turbo. Pick the turbo based on the compressor graph and your required HP goal.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:09 AM

Match the manifold to the turbo. Pick the turbo based on the compressor graph and your required HP goal.

what he said ^^



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:10 AM

I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread because we've provided screeds of help and the OP is the most unhelpful person I've seen in a while. And his grammar sucks.

/bottomline.

Want to turbo an R? Have a budget of over 5k.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:18 AM

I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread because we've provided screeds of help and the OP is the most unhelpful person I've seen in a while. And his grammar sucks.

/bottomline.

Want to turbo an R? Have a budget of over 5k.


Do you have a kit in mind?


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:30 AM

An expensive one.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:45 AM

Any turbo kit suggestion


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If you are having to ask these questions then I think it means you are going to want a drive in / drive out service?

 

If you are in Europe contact HGP

If you are in North America contact HPA

 

You can look them up online, but HPA offer turbo kits - 

 

DTM

350 hp   360 ft-lbs   7 psi

$5,995

FT-410

410 hp   420 ft-lbs   16 psi

$11,495

FT-470

470 hp   500 ft-lbs   19-22 psi

$12,995

 

I knew a guy that fitted the DTM kit to his MK4 R32 and I had a drive of it, it drove very nicely for a "low end" kit.

 

They do other kits, twin turbo etc. One of them is 740 BHP, but that is a VERY specialised installation $$$$$$, including an R36 engine and not a home install kit of course.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:48 AM

he can assemble a cheaper kit easy enough if he wanted to (basically all the boostpipes,FMIC and silicone pipes and he could even get a cheap enough cast manifold)but he shouldn't be cheap on the turbo, turbo fluids feed and return lines... also with the power he has in mind he puts himself in the +5k spending budget just on parts, as he will need to get a beefed up clutch kit for his DSG gearbox, and all the suspension rubbers need to be swapped for poly versions....he might get away with just one poly dogbone mount and new bushes (they won't last long if the car is driven hard all the time)and he will need some decent shockabsorbers/coilovers to deal with the added power... ... than he needs to find a place to do a custom remap.. but with the extra power and torque he wants he will have to spend bigtime....   

 

i will point out the fact that just a clutch kit that is capable of holding said power for the DSG gearbox will set him back at least 1750 and that is just parts.... as it would be very stupid to not put in a new torque converter...

 

and this is the reason you see people either just go for a supercharger or not do it at all... but we all know the vr5, vr6, r32 and r36 are capable of some serious power if they are converted to Forced  Induction but it will never be cheap.... even a VR6 turbo kit on the cheap, with some crappy chinese turbo will still set you back at least 2500 and that is just parts... it will have all the stuff to plumb in the turbo oil lines but no FMIC or boost pipes...  and that is for a manual vr6.... so to make a long story short compare the vendors prices for their 500 bhp kits and sort out a date to book it in and pay them to do the work for you... or get all the parts yourself as cheap as you can and start building... we are here to advise if you decide to DIY....

 

but for sake of our peace of mind stop asking for more advise...  either start buying parts or book it in to have it done it's all up to you now... we are awaiting your progress with pictures etc...    



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:58 AM

he can assemble a cheaper kit easy enough if he wanted to (basically all the boostpipes,FMIC and silicone pipes and he could even get a cheap enough cast manifold)but he shouldn't be cheap on the turbo, turbo fluids feed and return lines... also with the power he has in mind he puts himself in the +5k spending budget just on parts, as he will need to get a beefed up clutch kit for his DSG gearbox, and all the suspension rubbers need to be swapped for poly versions....he might get away with just one poly dogbone mount and new bushes (they won't last long if the car is driven hard all the time)and he will need some decent shockabsorbers/coilovers to deal with the added power... ... than he needs to find a place to do a custom remap.. but with the extra power and torque he wants he will have to spend bigtime....   

 

i will point out the fact that just a clutch kit that is capable of holding said power for the DSG gearbox will set him back at least 1750 and that is just parts.... as it would be very stupid to not put in a new torque converter...

 

and this is the reason you see people either just go for a supercharger or not do it at all... but we all know the vr5, vr6, r32 and r36 are capable of some serious power if they are converted to Forced  Induction but it will never be cheap. 

 

He hasn't really even said if he has a clue about any of this, if he's coming here to ask these questions, then its possible what "he wants" and "what he is capable of" are very different things.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:09 AM

He hasn't really even said if he has a clue about any of this, if he's coming here to ask these questions, then its possible what "he wants" and "what he is capable of" are very different things.

true but  i'm tired of this topic he got more than enough advise... he either does something (be it pay for the lot to be installed or buys parts) or not up to him.....but like always when people ask questions like this they usually decide it's to difficult or to expensive and can buy a faster car that already has FI in the first place if they trade in their r32 plus use some of their budget....(cars like the audi rs models)  

 

that's why i edited my reply.... 



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:17 AM

true but  i'm tired of this topic he got more than enough advise... he either does something (be it pay for the lot to be installed or buys parts) or not up to him.....but like always when people ask questions like this they usually decide it's to difficult or to expensive and can buy a faster car that already has FI in the first place if they trade in their r32 plus use some of their budget....(cars like the audi rs models)  

 

that's why i edited my reply.... 

 

I'm sure he's very thankful for your patience and friendly advice  :D


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 12:18 PM

we shall see.... 







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