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#1 KellyR78

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Posted 02 February 2021 - 03:16 PM

Hi I have a Mk 4 golf 1.4 petrol 2003 been told clocks have gone , so need new , order new with part number 

1j0920926 RB8 bosh , received new part , same part number but they are VDO, and now been told can not be programmed , please can someone help , car not not working and need to get it on the road and can not find any that are bosh , VW says they may have changed manufacture but they do not see why the auto electrician  can not be program,  as that is the part number. Thank you  


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Posted 02 February 2021 - 03:32 PM

Was it an authorized VW repair shop which could not figure this out?



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Posted 02 February 2021 - 03:51 PM

If the part numbers match VDO are easier to program than Bosch RB8 so whoever told you that they can’t be programmed it’s taking out of his arse.
I’m based in Bristol and I can program them in for you in 15 minutes.
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Posted 02 February 2021 - 03:54 PM

No it was an auto electrician company, that I took the clocks to that said this ,  so I rang VW and they said they are unsure why they would say that , as the part number I gave them off my faulty part is correct and they would have only sent me the same part detailing the same part number . VW confirmed the part number as 1j0920926 , which marries up with the replacement  but they said that wasn't the part number the part number was the 0263637070 on the label. 



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Posted 02 February 2021 - 03:57 PM

Thank you fv1200 , I did think that , but he was the Auto Electrician , who was I to question . Bristol a little too far , plus car wont move x  thank you again 



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Posted 02 February 2021 - 04:01 PM

The part number for petrol clocks on a 2003 VW Golf should be “1J0 920 926 A” and it will work as it should.
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Posted 02 February 2021 - 04:27 PM

this is the part code Might be a stupid question but they is no A after it , is that relevant ? thank you 



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Posted 02 February 2021 - 04:31 PM

They should have been an image uploaded , but don't think it did will try again, can you tell I'm new to this :-)  



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Posted 02 February 2021 - 05:04 PM

“A” is for petrol engines 7000 RPM
“C” is for diesel engines 5000 RPM

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Posted 02 February 2021 - 08:04 PM

VDO are easier than RB8.  Let's start with something easier - why do you think the clocks are gone?


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Posted 03 February 2021 - 01:43 AM

VDO is far better. No need to change for RB8, as it can be coded to car without any problems.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 12:57 PM

RB8 are a PITA and can be reflashed on a bench...not through the OBD port aka you need to have the lot taken out than need to have the right hardware to flash the eeprom... while the VDO clocks can be done through the OBD port with a simple KKL cable...  so VDO for the win 100% 



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Posted 03 February 2021 - 01:17 PM

Thank you everyone , I have arranged ( fingers crossed ) for it to be done with a company locally, after 4 million phone calls , some duff info ( not buy you lot) and pestering this forum think I may have it sorted , thanks again  :air_kiss:



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 12:51 PM

Hi back again ! the clocks are at a place for reprograming they had them all day Friday and say it taking a bit longer as it is tricky due to one having a chassis number , or something , Does anyone know what does that means ? 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 01:00 PM

Just called them , they say they are unable to get the information off the old clocks ( this must be the fault with them) they said the only way to program them into the car is to either buy brand new clocks, which I have not been unable to find ( plus they probably dearer than the car) or get the others I have wiped clean, but they cannot do that. Does anyone know where I could send them to get wiped clean. 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 01:14 PM

Ask them if they are able to read the epprom on any of the clocks?
If you can’t find a solution please contact us on our Facebook page
https://m.facebook.c...CDSdiagnostics/ and if you’re willing to post both sets of clocks to Bristol I can clone them.

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Posted 08 February 2021 - 01:28 PM

Hi FV1200 , a guy called Dave is call you to ask you a question, hope that is ok?  as you can tell I have no idea 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 01:31 PM

Yes that’s fine,all the contract information is on our Facebook page. https://m.facebook.c...CDSdiagnostics/

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Posted 08 February 2021 - 01:54 PM

I just had a phone call from the garage who’s programming these clocks and they confirmed that the original clocks are completely dead apparently, and they don’t power up at all so the only way to extract the immobilizer pin is from the ECU itself.

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Posted 08 February 2021 - 02:02 PM

How is that done ? by VW ? 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 02:05 PM

No, plenty of people on here are able to do it, also there are people offering this service on eBay as well, you just will have to remove the ECU and send it to them to extract the immobilizer pin.

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Posted 08 February 2021 - 02:11 PM

silly question the ECU from my car or the car I got the replacement clocks from ? 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 02:13 PM

The ECU from your car

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Posted 08 February 2021 - 02:15 PM

Thank you , your a star , fingers crossed. 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 02:29 PM

They have the car with them, I got it towed down as they said they needed it to programme the clocks in ? 



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Posted 08 February 2021 - 06:47 PM

Cluster can always be recovered, just pull the data with a clipper.  If you don't have one, pull SKC from ECU. No need for new cluster.  Also these clusters are very stout, have they confirmed the 'new' cluster plugs in and fires up?  They need to be able to extract the new SKC also.


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Posted 10 February 2021 - 12:12 PM

Cluster can always be recovered, just pull the data with a clipper.  If you don't have one, pull SKC from ECU. No need for new cluster.  Also these clusters are very stout, have they confirmed the 'new' cluster plugs in and fires up?  They need to be able to extract the new SKC also.

it might be the first time they actually had to do it...  and now they are running into beginners problems aka not knowing exactly how to interpreted the directions of Ross-Tech  that's why I used vag-k plus can commander to  pull SKC... it made it a lot easier. 



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Posted 10 February 2021 - 01:56 PM

Wow, think im going bonkers ,  they say the new Cluster clocks ( from a second hand Golf , but same part number ) the new clocks need to be cleared/wiped so it deletes all the chassis details from its original car, then they will become virgin clocks. so they can programme them into the car, ( still trying to find someone to clear them ) but will they still not need the immobiliser pin from the original cluster clocks , as the immobiliser is in the clocks on this variation?  



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Posted 10 February 2021 - 02:22 PM

No that’s not correct!
If they “virginise” (I don’t know if that’s the right word) the clocks which I don’t think they can they still need the immobilizer pin from the ECU and in this case (apparently) the problem is the immobilizer pin from the car because the original clocks are not powering up so it sounds like they don’t know what they are doing.
You need both immobilizer pin(s) for the original (broken) clocks and the replacement clocks.
My advice to you is take it to another garage because it sounds like they don’t have a clue on what they are doing at least on this example.

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Posted 10 February 2021 - 02:29 PM

I have collected both clocks from them , to try and source someone to clear the new ones, but how can they get the immobiliser pin from the old clocks if they wont power u/dead ? or is the immobiliser  pin in the ECU also?  

 

But yes think you maybe correct in that they are unsure what to do, as they keep updating me with different things 







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